Grave peril of digital conspiracy theories

[Fred Bloggs]

A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.

"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"

Then there's this most recent maniac, conspiracy driven:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509

There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.

https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

[john larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.

'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'

They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

[john larkin]

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:32:10 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

The internet and Twitter and such provide a platform for billions of
yahoos to expose themselves to billions of readers. The more
outrageous they are, the more attention they get from people who
my-o-my over them.

You have my permission to ignore them.

[Sylvia Else]

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

That could be a plan when science finally gets around to proving idiocy is a heritable trait.

[Anthony William Sloman]

<snip>

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this nonsense.

That could be a plan when science finally gets around to proving idiocy is a heritable trait.

It won't. Idiocy is a complex trait, and not easy to measure.

The various crude proxies for it - like scores on IQ tests and years in education - are slightly influenced by literally thousands of genes.

https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Robert-Plomin-Blueprint.pdf

Sterilising adult examples of idiocy wouldn't make the next generation appreciably less idiotic.

And we need idiots. How would we staff our personnel departments if we didn't have ready supply of them? Nobody who wasn't an idiot would take on the job.

We should really work on finding people who are excessively gullible, like John Larkin and Cursitor Doom, and protect them for the malicious propaganda to which they are so exceedingly vulnerable, but the people who make money out of generating malicious propaganda would complain that this was a restraint of trade.

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this nonsense.

That could be a plan when science finally gets around to proving idiocy is a heritable trait.

It won't. Idiocy is a complex trait, and not easy to measure.
The various crude proxies for it - like scores on IQ tests and years in education - are slightly influenced by literally thousands of genes.
https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Robert-Plomin-Blueprint.pdf
Sterilising adult examples of idiocy wouldn't make the next generation appreciably less idiotic.
And we need idiots. How would we staff our personnel departments if we didn't have ready supply of them? Nobody who wasn't an idiot would take on the job.

The law can be written in such a way that idiocy is presumed on the basis of a long list of material acts, such as habitual posting of false and misleading conspiracies on social media, and mindlessly concurring with such.

Post by Anthony William Sloman
We should really work on finding people who are excessively gullible, like John Larkin and Cursitor Doom, and protect them for the malicious propaganda to which they are so exceedingly vulnerable, but the people who make money out of generating malicious propaganda would complain that this was a restraint of trade.

That gets turned around on them. The Interstate Commerce Clause gives Congress authority to regulate transactions. And government owns the airwaves, and subsidizes communications infrastructure. So when the idiots act up, they will can be slapped.

Post by Anthony William Sloman
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

[whit3rd]

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Anthony William Sloman
We should really work on finding people who are excessively gullible, like John Larkin and Cursitor Doom, and protect them for the malicious propaganda to which they are so exceedingly vulnerable, but the people who make money out of generating malicious propaganda would complain that this was a restraint of trade.

That gets turned around on them. The Interstate Commerce Clause gives Congress authority to regulate transactions. And government owns the airwaves, and subsidizes communications infrastructure. So when the idiots act up, they will can be slapped.

The US constitution puts post offices (telecommunication nodes) and
post roads (telecommunication links) and navigable waterways under
federal control. That covers all of telecommunication as it was known
in the eighteenth century. But, except for hate speech and criminal
conspiracy, that doesn't regulate content effectively, because free speech
and press (again, telecommunication and local communication) are
protected.

So, if you want to be a responsible citizen, be sure to chastise abusers
without slandering them. "Liar, liar, pants on fire" works sometimes.
Don't expect the government to do this, it's YOUR responsibility
to protect the gullible when they can't protect themselves.

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[John Larkin]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 09:59:50 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this nonsense.

That could be a plan when science finally gets around to proving idiocy is a heritable trait.

It won't. Idiocy is a complex trait, and not easy to measure.
The various crude proxies for it - like scores on IQ tests and years in education - are slightly influenced by literally thousands of genes.
https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Robert-Plomin-Blueprint.pdf
Sterilising adult examples of idiocy wouldn't make the next generation appreciably less idiotic.
And we need idiots. How would we staff our personnel departments if we didn't have ready supply of them? Nobody who wasn't an idiot would take on the job.

The law can be written in such a way that idiocy is presumed on the basis of a long list of material acts, such as habitual posting of false and misleading conspiracies on social media, and mindlessly concurring with such.

Post by Anthony William Sloman
We should really work on finding people who are excessively gullible, like John Larkin and Cursitor Doom, and protect them for the malicious propaganda to which they are so exceedingly vulnerable, but the people who make money out of generating malicious propaganda would complain that this was a restraint of trade.

That gets turned around on them. The Interstate Commerce Clause gives Congress authority to regulate transactions. And government owns the airwaves, and subsidizes communications infrastructure. So when the idiots act up, they will can be slapped.

Turned around? The US military and the big national labs give us a lot
of business. They give us checks, not slaps.

My kind of gullibility seems to work.

[Anthony William Sloman]

<snip>

Post by John Larkin

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by Anthony William Sloman
We should really work on finding people who are excessively gullible, like John Larkin and Cursitor Doom, and protect them for the malicious propaganda to which they are so exceedingly vulnerable, but the people who make money out of generating malicious propaganda would complain that this was a restraint of trade.

That gets turned around on them. The Interstate Commerce Clause gives Congress authority to regulate transactions. And government owns the airwaves, and subsidizes communications infrastructure. So when the idiots act up, they will can be slapped.

Turned around? The US military and the big national labs give us a lot
of business. They give us checks, not slaps.
My kind of gullibility seems to work.

You are gullible enough to believe your own propaganda, which makes you a successful salesman. You are selling into a small market where there isn't a lot of competition.

If somebody with serious money was interested they'd hire better engineers and wipe you out, but small markets get the engineering they can afford.

Cambridge Instruments sold about ten electron beam microfabricators a year for more than a million dollars each, which was a small market, but that was piggy-backed on the electron microscope business which was rather larger, and quite competitive.

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[darius]

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[Cursitor Doom]

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

Given the average age of contributors here, Sylvia, I would guess your
Nazi-esque suggestion would achieve nothing.

[John Larkin]

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

No need. They can't get a date.

Post by Cursitor Doom
Given the average age of contributors here, Sylvia, I would guess your
Nazi-esque suggestion would achieve nothing.

Kids these days, even the ones with EE degrees, don't seem to design
much electronics. They type, don't solder.

[Anthony William Sloman]

<snip>

Post by John Larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by Fred Bloggs
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this nonsense.

No need. They can't get a date.

That does seem to be wishful thinking.

Post by John Larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom
Given the average age of contributors here, Sylvia, I would guess your
Nazi-esque suggestion would achieve nothing.

Kids these days, even the ones with EE degrees, don't seem to design much electronics. They type, don't solder.

They type more than we did when we first got involved in electronics, and solder correspondingly less - you can run a Spice simulation a lot faster than you can solder the circuit together, but you still have to put together the occasional working prototype, if only to check that your simulation data is complete and sufficiently accurate, and that you had let the simulation run for long enough - not points where you have always been all that careful.

[darius]

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[Fred Bloggs]

Post by John Larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

No need. They can't get a date.

Right, and then they become Incels.

Maybe if they change conversion therapy to making them gay, the problem can be eliminated.

Post by John Larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom
Given the average age of contributors here, Sylvia, I would guess your
Nazi-esque suggestion would achieve nothing.

Kids these days, even the ones with EE degrees, don't seem to design
much electronics. They type, don't solder.

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 04:55:59 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by John Larkin

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

No need. They can't get a date.

Right, and then they become Incels.
Maybe if they change conversion therapy to making them gay, the problem can be eliminated.

I know some young things that have a zillion male and female friends,
live in a tiny apartment with roommates, are always out eating or
drinking, are constantly texting, and aren't very sexual in the
classic pairing sort of way. The tekkies are coders.

Maybe the semiconductor companies scoop up the best EE grads. They
design circuits, I guess you could say, but that's still mostly
typing. I bet they don't know how to use a wire bonder.

A different class of people are worker-guys, people who do physical
things.

Bebe: "A women needs three husbands: an accountant to handle the
paperwork, a gay guy to shop with, and a worker-guy to fix things"

Me: "Who do you sleep with?"

Bebe: "The worker guy of course!"

And she has one.

[Fred Bloggs]

Post by John Larkin
On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 04:55:59 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by John Larkin

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

No need. They can't get a date.

Right, and then they become Incels.
Maybe if they change conversion therapy to making them gay, the problem can be eliminated.

I know some young things that have a zillion male and female friends,
live in a tiny apartment with roommates, are always out eating or
drinking, are constantly texting, and aren't very sexual in the
classic pairing sort of way. The tekkies are coders.
Maybe the semiconductor companies scoop up the best EE grads. They
design circuits, I guess you could say, but that's still mostly
typing. I bet they don't know how to use a wire bonder.

Looks like the big semi's are getting a lot of design work done overseas. Seems they all have a big research presence in Europe.

Even TI:

https://www.bayern-innovativ.de/en/competencyprofile/texas-instruments-deutschland-gmbh

Why waste time and resource on screwed up 'mericans, their day has come and gone.

Post by John Larkin
A different class of people are worker-guys, people who do physical
things.
Bebe: "A women needs three husbands: an accountant to handle the
paperwork, a gay guy to shop with, and a worker-guy to fix things"
Me: "Who do you sleep with?"
Bebe: "The worker guy of course!"
And she has one.

[John Larkin]

On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 10:09:00 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by John Larkin
On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 04:55:59 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by John Larkin

Post by Sylvia Else

Post by Fred Bloggs

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

No need. They can't get a date.

Right, and then they become Incels.
Maybe if they change conversion therapy to making them gay, the problem can be eliminated.

I know some young things that have a zillion male and female friends,
live in a tiny apartment with roommates, are always out eating or
drinking, are constantly texting, and aren't very sexual in the
classic pairing sort of way. The tekkies are coders.
Maybe the semiconductor companies scoop up the best EE grads. They
design circuits, I guess you could say, but that's still mostly
typing. I bet they don't know how to use a wire bonder.

Looks like the big semi's are getting a lot of design work done overseas. Seems they all have a big research presence in Europe.
https://www.bayern-innovativ.de/en/competencyprofile/texas-instruments-deutschland-gmbh
Why waste time and resource on screwed up 'mericans, their day has come and gone.

Post by John Larkin
A different class of people are worker-guys, people who do physical
things.
Bebe: "A women needs three husbands: an accountant to handle the
paperwork, a gay guy to shop with, and a worker-guy to fix things"
Me: "Who do you sleep with?"
Bebe: "The worker guy of course!"
And she has one.

I enjoy the physical aspects of real electronic design. Dremeling,
soldering, drilling, milling, sawing, shearing, drawing, measuring,
whiteboarding, and probing. And blowing things up.

"Shop" should be a required EE course. When I was in high school, boys
took shop and girls took home ec.

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On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 10:09:00 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

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Post by John Larkin
I enjoy the physical aspects of real electronic design. Dremeling,
soldering, drilling, milling, sawing, shearing, drawing, measuring,
whiteboarding, and probing. And blowing things up.

So much easier than calculating stuff and reading data sheets.

Post by John Larkin
"Shop" should be a required EE course. When I was in high school, boys took shop and girls took home economics.

I find carpentry very satisfying, but it's not all that useful in putting electronics hardware together. I did get taught it at school, but I had to learn cooking on my own. Happily. I ran into "Mastering the Art of French Cooking" by Beck, Betholle and Julia Child very early in the process. I'm all for people learning skills that they find useful. John Larkin might learn to love transformers if he ever learned the details of how they worked.

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Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

The moron who was posting a video of a transformer explosion in Chile and claiming it was an American military death ray deliberately starting the Maui fire, should be imprisoned for 10 years minimum. It's the same as an idiot making the rounds in an institution for the criminally insane inciting the population to rise and kill the prison staff based on some crackpot conspiracy. That is a clear-cut case of criminal incitement to violence.
'The right to freedom of speech allows individuals to express themselves without government interference or regulation. The Supreme Court requires the government to provide substantial justification for interference with the right of free speech when it attempts to regulate the content of the speech.'
They have ample substantial justification in these cases. The authority to do so will probably invoke the ICC.

Perhaps we should just forcibly sterilise anyone who falls for this
nonsense.

Given the average age of contributors here, Sylvia, I would guess your
Nazi-esque suggestion would achieve nothing.

I had second thoughts about posting that, and then it got posted by
mistake. I deleted it, in the knowledge that this would not be honoured
by all servers.

Sylvia.

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Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

But the first amendment doesn't let you shout "fire" in a crowded
theatre. Posting dangerous lies needs to generate consequences severe
enough to discourage people from doing it again.

Your persistent enthusiasm for reposting climate change denial
propaganda hasn't so far generated enough painful consequence to
discourage you.

Six months of hard labour on climate science probably wouldn't work -
you are good at not seeing facts you don't want to see.

[Cursitor Doom]

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Indeed. There was only one Truth in the Soviet Union under Joseph
Stalin. Contradict him and you got sent to the gulags for 10 to 25
years. So yeah, we could have our very own Pravda newspaper and
nothing else allowed, just like they did in Russia. That seems to be
what Fred Bloggs is advocating here. Perhaps he'd be happier in Cuba
or China.

[Anthony William Sloman]

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Indeed. There was only one Truth in the Soviet Union under Joseph
Stalin. Contradict him and you got sent to the gulags for 10 to 25
years. So yeah, we could have our very own Pravda newspaper and
nothing else allowed, just like they did in Russia. That seems to be
what Fred Bloggs is advocating here. Perhaps he'd be happier in Cuba
or China.

Senator Joseph McCarthy had similarly fixed ideas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

He didn't send anybody to a gulag - America doesn't have them - but he got an number of people thrown out of their jobs and rendered unemployable for not being as anti-communist as he though that they ought to have been.

Donald Trump is similarly wedded to his own version of reality - he's unsympathetic to the idea hat he actually lost the 2020 presidential election.

The first amendment is about letting people say what they like. It doesn't protect you from the consequences of publishing dangerous or misleading lies.

If you make money out of them you can be jailed for fraud, unless the money was a donation to your political party.

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Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Indeed. There was only one Truth in the Soviet Union under Joseph
Stalin. Contradict him and you got sent to the gulags for 10 to 25
years. So yeah, we could have our very own Pravda newspaper and
nothing else allowed, just like they did in Russia. That seems to be
what Fred Bloggs is advocating here. Perhaps he'd be happier in Cuba
or China.

There are people who really believe that "climate deniers" are threats
to the planet and should be censored or arrested or even killed.

And they throw soup onto the Mona Lisa to make the world a better
place.

[Cursitor Doom]

Post by john larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Indeed. There was only one Truth in the Soviet Union under Joseph
Stalin. Contradict him and you got sent to the gulags for 10 to 25
years. So yeah, we could have our very own Pravda newspaper and
nothing else allowed, just like they did in Russia. That seems to be
what Fred Bloggs is advocating here. Perhaps he'd be happier in Cuba
or China.

There are people who really believe that "climate deniers" are threats
to the planet and should be censored or arrested or even killed.
And they throw soup onto the Mona Lisa to make the world a better
place.

They're clearly brain damaged extremists and need to be in prison
before they can do something really dangerous.

[John Larkin]

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by john larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Indeed. There was only one Truth in the Soviet Union under Joseph
Stalin. Contradict him and you got sent to the gulags for 10 to 25
years. So yeah, we could have our very own Pravda newspaper and
nothing else allowed, just like they did in Russia. That seems to be
what Fred Bloggs is advocating here. Perhaps he'd be happier in Cuba
or China.

There are people who really believe that "climate deniers" are threats
to the planet and should be censored or arrested or even killed.
And they throw soup onto the Mona Lisa to make the world a better
place.

They're clearly brain damaged extremists and need to be in prison
before they can do something really dangerous.

People should be prosecuted for real crimes, damaging property or
hurting others, and not for having opinions.

What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

[Cursitor Doom]

Post by John Larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by john larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Indeed. There was only one Truth in the Soviet Union under Joseph
Stalin. Contradict him and you got sent to the gulags for 10 to 25
years. So yeah, we could have our very own Pravda newspaper and
nothing else allowed, just like they did in Russia. That seems to be
what Fred Bloggs is advocating here. Perhaps he'd be happier in Cuba
or China.

There are people who really believe that "climate deniers" are threats
to the planet and should be censored or arrested or even killed.
And they throw soup onto the Mona Lisa to make the world a better
place.

They're clearly brain damaged extremists and need to be in prison
before they can do something really dangerous.

People should be prosecuted for real crimes, damaging property or
hurting others, and not for having opinions.
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

[Anthony William Sloman]

<snip>

Post by John Larkin
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.

Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

[Cursitor Doom]

On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:03:00 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by John Larkin
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.
Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

I see you've been reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Bill.
Accuse your opponents of what you're doing yourself. See I've read all
that Left-wing garbage and know exactly how you think. You'll never
get the better of the Big Dawg - certainly not without upping your
game by several orders of magnitude (which would be completely beyond
you).

[John Larkin]

Post by Cursitor Doom
On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:03:00 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by John Larkin
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.
Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

I see you've been reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Bill.
Accuse your opponents of what you're doing yourself. See I've read all
that Left-wing garbage and know exactly how you think. You'll never
get the better of the Big Dawg - certainly not without upping your
game by several orders of magnitude (which would be completely beyond
you).

BS is getting weirder and weirder. He used to make sense once in a
while.

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Post by Cursitor Doom
On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:03:00 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by John Larkin
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.
Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

I see you've been reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Bill.
Accuse your opponents of what you're doing yourself. See I've read all
that Left-wing garbage and know exactly how you think. You'll never
get the better of the Big Dawg - certainly not without upping your
game by several orders of magnitude (which would be completely beyond
you).

BS is getting weirder and weirder. He used to make sense once in a
while.

He's doubled down on his insane rantings since I proved he's a liar
beyond all doubt in the thread about Iphones.

[John Larkin]

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by John Larkin

Post by Cursitor Doom
On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:03:00 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by John Larkin
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.
Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

I see you've been reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Bill.
Accuse your opponents of what you're doing yourself. See I've read all
that Left-wing garbage and know exactly how you think. You'll never
get the better of the Big Dawg - certainly not without upping your
game by several orders of magnitude (which would be completely beyond
you).

BS is getting weirder and weirder. He used to make sense once in a
while.

He's doubled down on his insane rantings since I proved he's a liar
beyond all doubt in the thread about Iphones.

He's a sad old git, one of many. Ignore him.

Talk about electronics.

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Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by Anthony William Sloman
The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.
Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

I see you've been reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Bill.

I haven't. Why would I bother? I'm not any kind of radical.

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by Cursitor Doom
Accuse your opponents of what you're doing yourself. See I've read all
that Left-wing garbage and know exactly how you think. You'll never
get the better of the Big Dawg - certainly not without upping your
game by several orders of magnitude (which would be completely beyond
you).

Cursitor Doom does imagine he's a Big Dawg. He does fantasise a lot.

Post by Cursitor Doom

BS is getting weirder and weirder. He used to make sense once in a while.

But then I got bored with tolerating John Larkin's inanities.

Post by Cursitor Doom
He's doubled down on his insane rantings since I proved he's a liar
beyond all doubt in the thread about Iphones.

Cursitor Doom doesn't have any doubt about the validity of his non-existent proof. He does fantasise a lot.

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On Sun, 4 Feb 2024 05:03:00 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by John Larkin
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.
Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

I see you've been reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Bill.
Accuse your opponents of what you're doing yourself. See I've read all
that Left-wing garbage and know exactly how you think. You'll never
get the better of the Big Dawg - certainly not without upping your
game by several orders of magnitude (which would be completely beyond
you).

BS is getting weirder and weirder. He used to make sense once in a
while.

I have this thought that 95% of what we see in this group is AI-
generated garbage just to keep us bickering pointlessly instead
of doing more important things. The highly stereotypical styles
of many "contributions" certainly point in that direction.

It's more or less what television used to be for. Panem et
circenses.

Let's just killfile them and get on with designing some world-
changing electronics.

Jeroen Belleman

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Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by John Larkin
What's weird is that anyone can deny absolute truths, like
conservation of energy or the irrationality of sqrt(2), and nobody
pays much attention. But to question something very uncertain, like
the effects of CO2 on climate or the effects of testosterone on
behavior, is considered to be a crime.

The exact effects of CO2 on climate may not be known with exquisite precision - greenhouse gases aren't the only participants - but we do know that more CO2 in the atmosphere leads to a higher average surface temperature for the planet as a whole.
Goofs like you who claim that modern atmospheric CO2 levels are all faked, are in fact guilty of criminal libel and really should be charged and convicted.
The fact that you are an obvious goof and nobody takes you seriously is all that saves your bacon.

Quite. And 'Thought Crime' at that. Orwell's predictions were right.
The Liars are running the show and are terrified of being exposed.

Except that you are the liar here, and you clearly don't run any show, and while you get exposed as a liar at regular intervals, it doesn't worry you.

I see you've been reading Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, Bill.
Accuse your opponents of what you're doing yourself. See I've read all
that Left-wing garbage and know exactly how you think. You'll never
get the better of the Big Dawg - certainly not without upping your
game by several orders of magnitude (which would be completely beyond
you).

BS is getting weirder and weirder. He used to make sense once in a
while.

I have this thought that 95% of what we see in this group is AI-
generated garbage just to keep us bickering pointlessly instead
of doing more important things. The highly stereotypical styles
of many "contributions" certainly point in that direction.
It's more or less what television used to be for. Panem et
circenses.
Let's just killfile them and get on with designing some world-
changing electronics.
Jeroen Belleman

I'm trying to decide if we should go into the business of making big,
kilowatt size, 3-phase AC power supplies and load banks. The stuff out
there is kind of a mess, but it would (literally) be a big lift to get
into that biz. We'd have to buy a building and a forklift.

We *are* soon to introduce two new world-changing product lines. I'll
post links here.

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On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509
There was at least one QAnon adherent posting on SED.
https://apnews.com/article/dangers-of-digital-conspiracy-theories-ec21024be1ed377a35fb235d9fa2af36

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Indeed. There was only one Truth in the Soviet Union under Joseph
Stalin. Contradict him and you got sent to the gulags for 10 to 25
years. So yeah, we could have our very own Pravda newspaper and
nothing else allowed, just like they did in Russia. That seems to be
what Fred Bloggs is advocating here. Perhaps he'd be happier in Cuba
or China.

Stalin wasn't sending people to the gulags for contradicting him. He was aware that his governance was a total failure. It was a succession of infamous 5-year plans that were all failures. He wasn't delivering on the promises of the revolution and he knew it. He also knew that quite a lot of people were getting fed up with him. That's when he started the purges and the rest is history. It was self-preservation.

[whit3rd]

Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Damn, boy you ARE dense. Hate speech gets the credit for that old guy
in your town who got a hammer to his geriatric head, and you think
there shouldn't be any response? Every time I hear an 'abortion is murder' claim,
I cringe, knowing there'll be a bombing or shooting at a clinic.

Worse, there's nonhuman (AI, but also corporate and foreign government) propagandists
meddling with elections, that really ARE an assault on our Constitution.
There's a death toll on the record for the abuse of free speech called 'swatting',
and it's a bigger share of school violence than gunplay, <https://eschoolsafety.org/swatting>

The problem is networked anonymity and impersonation, which requires a
network-level treatment. Freedom of speech isn't the name of the problem under
discussion, rather "incitement to riot".

[darius]

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Post by john larkin
On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 10:27:37 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs

Post by Fred Bloggs
A responsible government needs to enact legislation with serious criminal penalties for the promulgators of these things. Jack-ass site like zerohedge will be shut down in a minute.
"In another act of violence tied to QAnon, a California man was charged with using a speargun to kill his two children in 2021. He told an FBI agent that he had been enlightened by QAnon conspiracy theories and had become convinced that his wife “possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pa-man-arrested-decapitating-father-youtube-video-rcna136509

Let's repeal that pesky First Amendment. There is, of course, always
only one true Truth.

Damn, boy you ARE dense. Hate speech gets the credit for that old guy
in your town who got a hammer to his geriatric head, and you think
there shouldn't be any response? Every time I hear an 'abortion is murder' claim,
I cringe, knowing there'll be a bombing or shooting at a clinic.
Worse, there's nonhuman (AI, but also corporate and foreign government) propagandists
meddling with elections, that really ARE an assault on our Constitution.
There's a death toll on the record for the abuse of free speech called 'swatting',
and it's a bigger share of school violence than gunplay, <https://eschoolsafety.org/swatting>
The problem is networked anonymity and impersonation, which requires a
network-level treatment. Freedom of speech isn't the name of the problem under
discussion, rather "incitement to riot".

Wow. You're clearly very upset. Try to calm down and read this - it
may help you:

https://optimistminds.com/allodoxaphobia/

[Anthony William Sloman]

<snip>

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by whit3rd
Worse, there's nonhuman (AI, but also corporate and foreign government) propagandists
meddling with elections, that really ARE an assault on our Constitution.
There's a death toll on the record for the abuse of free speech called 'swatting',
and it's a bigger share of school violence than gunplay, <https://eschoolsafety.org/swatting>
The problem is networked anonymity and impersonation, which requires a
network-level treatment. Freedom of speech isn't the name of the problem under
discussion, rather "incitement to riot".

Wow. You're clearly very upset. Try to calm down and read this - it
https://optimistminds.com/allodoxaphobia/

You don't post "different opinions". You post false and deluded opinions. We aren't frightened of them - they too obviously ridiculous to delude anybody with a working brain.

We just dislike the waste of bandwidth. And - of course - your pretensions to knowing what you are talking about.

[darius]

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On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 02:36:32 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman (Group

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by whit3rd
Worse, there's nonhuman (AI, but also corporate and foreign government) propagandists
meddling with elections, that really ARE an assault on our Constitution.
There's a death toll on the record for the abuse of free speech called 'swatting',
and it's a bigger share of school violence than gunplay, <https://eschoolsafety.org/swatting>
The problem is networked anonymity and impersonation, which requires a
network-level treatment. Freedom of speech isn't the name of the problem under
discussion, rather "incitement to riot".

Wow. You're clearly very upset. Try to calm down and read this - it
https://optimistminds.com/allodoxaphobia/

You don't post "different opinions". You post false and deluded opinions. We aren't frightened of them - they too obviously ridiculous to delude anybody with a working brain.
We just dislike the waste of bandwidth. And - of course - your pretensions to knowing what you are talking about.

There you go with the "we" again. Just because you and your
sock-puppet 3rdwit disagree with me doesn't give you the right to
imply you speak for *everyone* on this group.
I'm sorry you Communists hate dissenters, but there it is. Stalin's
been dead about 70 years now and anyone can say what they please. It's
called free speech - and to you that's like holy water to a vampire.

[Anthony William Sloman]

Post by Cursitor Doom
On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 02:36:32 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman (Group

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by whit3rd
Worse, there's nonhuman (AI, but also corporate and foreign government) propagandists
meddling with elections, that really ARE an assault on our Constitution.
There's a death toll on the record for the abuse of free speech called 'swatting',
and it's a bigger share of school violence than gunplay, <https://eschoolsafety.org/swatting>
The problem is networked anonymity and impersonation, which requires a
network-level treatment. Freedom of speech isn't the name of the problem under
discussion, rather "incitement to riot".

Wow. You're clearly very upset. Try to calm down and read this - it
https://optimistminds.com/allodoxaphobia/

You don't post "different opinions". You post false and deluded opinions. We aren't frightened of them - they too obviously ridiculous to delude anybody with a working brain.
We just dislike the waste of bandwidth. And - of course - your pretensions to knowing what you are talking about.

There you go with the "we" again. Just because you and your
sock-puppet 3rdwit disagree with me doesn't give you the right to
imply you speak for *everyone* on this group.

I speak for quite a few people, but only in the sense that their responses are tolerably predictable. Whit3rd does seem to share some of my opinions, but I've never had any private communication with him.

Post by Cursitor Doom
I'm sorry you Communists hate dissenters, but there it is.

There's a whole spectrum of left-wing opinion. The main stream chucked out the communists in 1871 for being undemocratic and predicted - correctly - that their undemocratic ideas would lead to a worse despotism than the Czar's. From your astronomically distant far-right point of view you may not be able to distinguish subtle shades of left-wing opinion. but the difference between democratic socialism (my attitude) and authoritarian communism is pretty substantial.

Democratic socialism tolerates a whole range of opinion and and the governments that practice it are mostly multiparty coalitions, where the coalition partners change from election to election. They thrive on dissent. The UK and Australian single party governments have loads of dissent but it is all worked out in private between the factions in ruling party and tend to rip them apart. so they lose the next election.

The American Republican currently seem to be insisting that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 election and was cheated out of his victory by imagined electoral fraud. Trump doesn't like people to dissent from that lunatic proposition.

Post by Cursitor Doom
Stalin's been dead about 70 years now and anyone can say what they please. It's called free speech - and to you that's like holy water to a vampire.

Putin doesn't seem to like free speech, and if you say things he doesn't like you tend to up with Novichok in your underpants. Donald Trump doesn't seem to have access to that kind of assassin.

I've got no objection to free speech, but I do object to lies and you do post a lot of them. Claiming that I'm a Communist is a pretty typical example.
Claiming that democratic socialists object to free speech is another.

You can say what you like., but you can get sued for criminal libel if you get it wrong. George Soros probably won't sue you - the damages he could collect would be limited by the damage you could inflect, and your credibility is no-existent.

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On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:56:09 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman

Post by Anthony William Sloman

Post by Cursitor Doom
On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 02:36:32 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman (Group

Post by Anthony William Sloman
<snip>

Post by Cursitor Doom

Post by whit3rd
Worse, there's nonhuman (AI, but also corporate and foreign government) propagandists
meddling with elections, that really ARE an assault on our Constitution.
There's a death toll on the record for the abuse of free speech called 'swatting',
and it's a bigger share of school violence than gunplay, <https://eschoolsafety.org/swatting>
The problem is networked anonymity and impersonation, which requires a
network-level treatment. Freedom of speech isn't the name of the problem under
discussion, rather "incitement to riot".

Wow. You're clearly very upset. Try to calm down and read this - it
https://optimistminds.com/allodoxaphobia/

You don't post "different opinions". You post false and deluded opinions. We aren't frightened of them - they too obviously ridiculous to delude anybody with a working brain.
We just dislike the waste of bandwidth. And - of course - your pretensions to knowing what you are talking about.

There you go with the "we" again. Just because you and your
sock-puppet 3rdwit disagree with me doesn't give you the right to
imply you speak for *everyone* on this group.

I speak for quite a few people, but only in the sense that their responses are tolerably predictable. Whit3rd does seem to share some of my opinions, but I've never had any private communication with him.

Post by Cursitor Doom
I'm sorry you Communists hate dissenters, but there it is.

There's a whole spectrum of left-wing opinion. The main stream chucked out the communists in 1871 for being undemocratic and predicted - correctly - that their undemocratic ideas would lead to a worse despotism than the Czar's. From your astronomically distant far-right point of view you may not be able to distinguish subtle shades of left-wing opinion. but the difference between democratic socialism (my attitude) and authoritarian communism is pretty substantial.
Democratic socialism tolerates a whole range of opinion and and the governments that practice it are mostly multiparty coalitions, where the coalition partners change from election to election. They thrive on dissent. The UK and Australian single party governments have loads of dissent but it is all worked out in private between the factions in ruling party and tend to rip them apart. so they lose the next election.
The American Republican currently seem to be insisting that Donald Trump actually won the 2020 election and was cheated out of his victory by imagined electoral fraud. Trump doesn't like people to dissent from that lunatic proposition.

Post by Cursitor Doom
Stalin's been dead about 70 years now and anyone can say what they please. It's called free speech - and to you that's like holy water to a vampire.

Putin doesn't seem to like free speech, and if you say things he doesn't like you tend to up with Novichok in your underpants. Donald Trump doesn't seem to have access to that kind of assassin.
I've got no objection to free speech, but I do object to lies and you do post a lot of them. Claiming that I'm a Communist is a pretty typical example.
Claiming that democratic socialists object to free speech is another.
You can say what you like., but you can get sued for criminal libel if you get it wrong. George Soros probably won't sue you - the damages he could collect would be limited by the damage you could inflect, and your credibility is no-existent.

Yes, as is his (in your peculiar mind) unbesmirched reputation.

[Anthony William Sloman]

Post by Cursitor Doom
On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:56:09 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman

Post by Cursitor Doom
On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 02:36:32 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman (Group

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Post by Cursitor Doom

You can say what you like, but you can get sued for criminal libel if you get it wrong. George Soros probably won't sue you - the damages he could collect would be limited by the damage you could inflect, and your credibility is no-existent.

Yes, as is his (in your peculiar mind) unbesmirched reputation.

I didn't say anything about his general reputation. My problem was with the particular smear you came up with, which was an entirely bizarre misrepresentation of a well known incident from his time as a 14-year-old in hiding from the Nazi's. He was still 14 when Hungary fell to the Russians on the 4th April 1945 - Germany had actually invaded Hungary on the 19th March 1944, so he had to hide for just over a year.

The peculiar mind here is yours, and it does seem to be obsessed with coming with utterly implausible smears.

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