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OT: Chinese tokamak
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Jan Panteltje
2024-09-19 09:49:30 UTC
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The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
Now China is in position to win the race:
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html

China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
john larkin
2024-09-19 14:41:35 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.

Feed the kids first.
Jan Panteltje
2024-09-19 15:50:40 UTC
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On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:41:35 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Once they have Mars they will ask for you 'merrican tourists to pay in Chinese currency and feed their kids
in the Martian settlements with stuff they import from Russia.
By that time chances are likely 'merrica's You Ash of AAAAh will no longer be,...
just a few settlements...grasshuts, wigwams, greens ruling.

China is not doing bad feeding and housing their people,
US homelesness and poverty is
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/china-moves-dominate-world-food-supply-food-power
john larkin
2024-09-19 16:00:24 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:41:35 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Once they have Mars they will ask for you 'merrican tourists to pay in Chinese currency and feed their kids
in the Martian settlements with stuff they import from Russia.
By that time chances are likely 'merrica's You Ash of AAAAh will no longer be,...
just a few settlements...grasshuts, wigwams, greens ruling.
China is not doing bad feeding and housing their people,
US homelesness and poverty is
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/china-moves-dominate-world-food-supply-food-power
The real concept there is not "food", it's "dominate."

https://www.wfp.org/countries/china

Communism always evolves to rule by psychopathic thugs.

A lot of the US homeless problem is caused by Chinese drugs. By
design.
Jan Panteltje
2024-09-20 04:49:24 UTC
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On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 09:00:24 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:41:35 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Once they have Mars they will ask for you 'merrican tourists to pay in Chinese currency and feed their kids
in the Martian settlements with stuff they import from Russia.
By that time chances are likely 'merrica's You Ash of AAAAh will no longer be,...
just a few settlements...grasshuts, wigwams, greens ruling.
China is not doing bad feeding and housing their people,
US homelesness and poverty is
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/china-moves-dominate-world-food-supply-food-power
The real concept there is not "food", it's "dominate."
https://www.wfp.org/countries/china
Communism always evolves to rule by psychopathic thugs.
Well, I guess .. lemme see,
demoncrazy is like stepping into a bar and asking the people there to design a <you name it>
Post by john larkin
A lot of the US homeless problem is caused by Chinese drugs. By
design.
You talk crap, evade essential questions, not a good show Mr ? Lurkin!
john larkin
2024-09-20 14:53:56 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 09:00:24 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:41:35 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Once they have Mars they will ask for you 'merrican tourists to pay in Chinese currency and feed their kids
in the Martian settlements with stuff they import from Russia.
By that time chances are likely 'merrica's You Ash of AAAAh will no longer be,...
just a few settlements...grasshuts, wigwams, greens ruling.
China is not doing bad feeding and housing their people,
US homelesness and poverty is
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/china-moves-dominate-world-food-supply-food-power
The real concept there is not "food", it's "dominate."
https://www.wfp.org/countries/china
Communism always evolves to rule by psychopathic thugs.
Well, I guess .. lemme see,
demoncrazy is like stepping into a bar and asking the people there to design a <you name it>
That's not a bad idea if the bar is full of EEs, which some are. We
had a great brainstorm session yesterday, but I forgot to bring beer.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by john larkin
A lot of the US homeless problem is caused by Chinese drugs. By
design.
You talk crap, evade essential questions, not a good show Mr ? Lurkin!
You are a Sloman clone. Switch discussions to insults.

That's easy. Thinking is harder.
Bill Sloman
2024-09-20 15:40:13 UTC
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Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 09:00:24 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:41:35 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Once they have Mars they will ask for you 'merrican tourists to pay in Chinese currency and feed their kids
in the Martian settlements with stuff they import from Russia.
By that time chances are likely 'merrica's You Ash of AAAAh will no longer be,...
just a few settlements...grasshuts, wigwams, greens ruling.
China is not doing bad feeding and housing their people,
US homelesness and poverty is
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/china-moves-dominate-world-food-supply-food-power
The real concept there is not "food", it's "dominate."
https://www.wfp.org/countries/china
Communism always evolves to rule by psychopathic thugs.
Well, I guess .. lemme see,
demoncrazy is like stepping into a bar and asking the people there to design a <you name it>
That's not a bad idea if the bar is full of EEs, which some are. We
had a great brainstorm session yesterday, but I forgot to bring beer.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by john larkin
A lot of the US homeless problem is caused by Chinese drugs. By
design.
You talk crap, evade essential questions, not a good show Mr ? Lurkin!
You are a Sloman clone. Switch discussions to insults.
Actually, that would make him a a Larkin clone. Except that John Larkin
doesn't discuss, he merely pontificates, and feels hurt when his
pontifications are questioned (which is what discussion is all about).
Post by john larkin
That's easy. Thinking is harder.
And John avoids it like the plague, always assuming that he could do it
in the first place.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Jan Panteltje
2024-09-21 08:33:53 UTC
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On a sunny day (Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:53:56 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 09:00:24 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:41:35 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Once they have Mars they will ask for you 'merrican tourists to pay in Chinese currency and feed their kids
in the Martian settlements with stuff they import from Russia.
By that time chances are likely 'merrica's You Ash of AAAAh will no longer be,...
just a few settlements...grasshuts, wigwams, greens ruling.
China is not doing bad feeding and housing their people,
US homelesness and poverty is
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/china-moves-dominate-world-food-supply-food-power
The real concept there is not "food", it's "dominate."
https://www.wfp.org/countries/china
Communism always evolves to rule by psychopathic thugs.
Well, I guess .. lemme see,
demoncrazy is like stepping into a bar and asking the people there to design a <you name it>
That's not a bad idea if the bar is full of EEs, which some are. We
had a great brainstorm session yesterday, but I forgot to bring beer.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by john larkin
A lot of the US homeless problem is caused by Chinese drugs. By
design.
You talk crap, evade essential questions, not a good show Mr ? Lurkin!
You are a Sloman clone. Switch discussions to insults.
Are you now the one insulting slowman?
He could feel that way

I am just what I am..
Post by john larkin
That's easy. Thinking is harder.
No, you got all that wrong, 'thinking' is the noise in your head before the silence of seeing.
Meditation and things like that is an interesting field, one of the many things I practice.
I never 'think' a lot when designing or coding.. I do use google sometimes...
I have had ideas in the shower, if they were any good? The stuff did work.
All is connected, mind reading... discusting how I always see that US war weapon shit talker Blinken popping up
again and again as 'mediator' he really is a dirty war monger puppet.
understament.

A.S. is just a script ;-).
john larkin
2024-09-21 15:35:14 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by john larkin
That's easy. Thinking is harder.
No, you got all that wrong, 'thinking' is the noise in your head before the silence of seeing.
It's the mass, parallel, quantum cross-correlation machine looking for
connections across an impossibly large solution space.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Meditation and things like that is an interesting field, one of the many things I practice.
I never 'think' a lot when designing or coding.. I do use google sometimes...
I have had ideas in the shower, if they were any good? The stuff did work.
I have ideas in the shower. Or when I'm asleep.

Some people have ideas when they are walking.
Bill Sloman
2024-09-21 16:37:53 UTC
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Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by john larkin
That's easy. Thinking is harder.
No, you got all that wrong, 'thinking' is the noise in your head before the silence of seeing.
It's the mass, parallel, quantum cross-correlation machine looking for
connections across an impossibly large solution space.
Or in John Larkin's case, a random noise generator.
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
Meditation and things like that is an interesting field, one of the many things I practice.
I never 'think' a lot when designing or coding.. I do use google sometimes...
I have had ideas in the shower, if they were any good? The stuff did work.
I have ideas in the shower. Or when I'm asleep.
Some people have ideas when they are walking.
Lots of people report that ideas emerge when they weren't consciously
thinking about the subject. The process doesn't seem to be subject to
introspection.

The quality of the ideas is also variable. John Larkin claims to have
lots of ideas, but he doesn't seem to have many patents.

One of my colleagues at EMI Central Research had the lab record for
patent queries - 53 in one year - but no patents.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill Sloman
2024-09-20 08:34:49 UTC
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Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 19 Sep 2024 07:41:35 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Once they have Mars they will ask for you 'merrican tourists to pay in Chinese currency and feed their kids
in the Martian settlements with stuff they import from Russia.
By that time chances are likely 'merrica's You Ash of AAAAh will no longer be,...
just a few settlements...grasshuts, wigwams, greens ruling.
China is not doing bad feeding and housing their people,
US homelesness and poverty is
https://www2.cbn.com/news/us/china-moves-dominate-world-food-supply-food-power
The real concept there is not "food", it's "dominate."
https://www.wfp.org/countries/china
Communism always evolves to rule by psychopathic thugs.
The you need to explain Gorbachov, who wasn't any kind of psychopathic thug.
Post by john larkin
A lot of the US homeless problem is caused by Chinese drugs. By
design.
Please explain how the Chinese satisfying the US demand for drugs of
addiction is part of some cunning Chinese plan to over-throw the US.

The US homelessness problem is caused by the US addiction to gross
economic inequality. The bottom end of the US economic pyramid lead
miserable lives which does make them susceptible to drugs of addiction,
but that market is supplied by the whole world, not just China.

It is essentially created by well-off Americans insisting on being much
more well-off than their poorer neighbours, and that isn't a feature
that was designed into the US system - rather it's a fundamental flaw of
a system designed on the basis that the people that owned the country
should control the country.

A large market for drugs of addiction - as well as weakness for lying
demagogues like Donald Trump - is part and parcel of the US
constitutional set-up, which always was the MS/DOS of modern political
system, and is severely in need of an up-grade.

The German constitution of 1948 is probably the best example around. The
French constitution from 1956 is ostensibly more modern, but De Gaulle
fudged it to suit his own silly ideas, and it really doesn't work all
that well.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
legg
2024-09-21 13:03:45 UTC
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Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Pot and kettle.

RL
john larkin
2024-09-21 15:38:43 UTC
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Post by legg
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Pot and kettle.
RL
Yes, they need pots and kettles and stuff to cook in them.

I was just reading about lots of people in Cuba scrounging through
garbage dumps looking for something to eat. Cuba used to be the
richest place in the carribean, before Castro liberated it.
Bill Sloman
2024-09-22 05:06:03 UTC
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Post by john larkin
Post by legg
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
The US led on nuclear fusion for decades.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/19/climate/nuclear-fusion-clean-energy-china-us/index.html
China's EAST tokamak in Hefei held plasma stable at 70 million degrees Celsius
- five times hotter than the core of the sun - for more than 17 minutes,
a world record and an objectively astonishing breakthrough.
Sounds expensive and useless, like the Chinese moon landings.
Feed the kids first.
Pot and kettle.
Yes, they need pots and kettles and stuff to cook in them.
I was just reading about lots of people in Cuba scrounging through
garbage dumps looking for something to eat. Cuba used to be the
richest place in the Carribean, before Castro liberated it.
It made a lot of money out of growing sugar-cane, before the price of
sugar crashed. Under Batista the rich were very rich and the poor were
remarkably poor.

Once Castro took over the US imposed drastic economic sanctions, and the
Cuban economy declined in direct consequence.

The USSR then provided generous subsidies, but when the USSR fell apart
in 1990 these stopped.

In large measure John Larkin is gloating about the effectiveness of the
US economic sanctions - Trump did ramped them up when he was in power -
and ignoring the fact the Castro regime did a much better job of looking
after the poor than Batista ever had. The US doesn't look after the poor
all that well either - the relatively low US life expectancy is a side
effect of it's remarkably high income inequality.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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