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OT: CERN cuts ties with Russia , will expel hundreds of scientists by December
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Jan Panteltje
2024-09-21 06:53:16 UTC
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CERN cuts ties with Russia, will expel hundreds of scientists by December:
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.

So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
Bill Sloman
2024-09-21 07:51:34 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.

Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.

H.G.Welles did predict the atom bomb, but he got the details wrong - he
thought that it would be a bomb that "kept on exploding" - in his
1914 science fiction novel, “The World Set Free”.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
Jan Panteltje
2024-09-21 09:52:45 UTC
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On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.
Dear slow-man script
Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.
Post by Bill Sloman
Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.
hat did lead to teh a-bomgb was Curie and a room sizd lab
and some thinking by Enrico Fermi
The Italien Navigator Has Landed:
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
All in small labs to start with

As to ZERN, WHERE THEY ..

Interesting is what RT published today:
https://www.rt.com/russia/604397-russia-destructive-countries-list/

if you cannot get RT www.rt.com because it is censored by those that control and limit your freedom
try 89.191.237.192 in your browser or put this in /etc/resolv.conf if you run Linux
nameserver 8.8.8.8
nameserver 8.8.4.4

<start quote>:
Dissidents from “neoliberal” states can now petition Moscow for residency
Russia publishes ‘destructive’ countries list
Moscow has listed 47 countries whose “destructive attitudes” contradict Russian values,
opening the path to their nationals to seek asylum in Russia if they so choose.
President Vladimir Putin signed a decree last month allowing foreigners who share Russia’s traditional values
and disagree with the “neoliberal” agenda pushed by their own governments to apply for residency.

On Friday, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin published the list of countries and territories that
“implement policies that impose destructive neoliberal ideological attitudes contradicting traditional Russian spiritual and moral values.”
The list posted on the Russian government portal includes the following countries and territories:
Australia, Austria, Albania, Andorra, the Bahamas, Belgium, Bulgaria, the UK, Germany, Greece, Denmark, Ireland, Iceland, Spain, Italy,
Canada, Cyprus, Latvia, Lithuania, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg, Malta, Micronesia, Monaco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland,
Portugal, South Korea, Romania, San Marino, North Macedonia, Singapore, the US, Taiwan (territory of China), Ukraine, Finland, France,
Croatia, Montenegro, the Czech Republic, Switzerland, Sweden, Estonia and Japan.
Notably absent from the list are EU and NATO members Slovakia and Hungary, as well as NATO member TÃŒrkiye.
Most of the designated countries previously made the register of “unfriendly” governments,
first compiled in the spring of 2021 and updated in 2022. The states on that blacklist are subject to Russian diplomatic and economic
countermeasures based on their hostile conduct.
Russia can “offer the world a safe haven for normalcy” by defending traditional values from the “wokeism catastrophe”
that has come to dominate the collective West,
RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan said on Thursday at the Fourth Eurasian Women’s Forum in St. Petersburg.
According to Putin’s edict from August, nationals of “destructive neoliberal” countries are eligible to seek temporary residence in Russia
without having to satisfy the standard immigration requirements, such as national quotas, Russian language proficiency,
and knowledge of Russian history and laws.
The plan appears to have originated at a February symposium in Moscow, when Italian student Irene Cecchini presented the idea of “impatriation”
to the Russian president. Cecchini urged Putin to streamline the immigration and naturalization process for foreigners who shared the “cultural,
traditional and family values” of Russia, presenting it as a way to help the country overcome a demographic dip.
You can share this story on social media:
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So, the rest of ZERN if they are worth anything scientifically, can move to Russia too.

:-)
Bill Sloman
2024-09-21 12:03:02 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.
Dear slow-man script
Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.
I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff
wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that
copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.
What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.
That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise
that fission was going on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
All in small labs to start with
Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain
reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to
justify the next steps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1

<snipped nonsense from Russia Today>
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
Jan Panteltje
2024-09-21 15:30:22 UTC
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On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.
Dear slow-man script
Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.
I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff
wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that
copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.
What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.
That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise
that fission was going on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner
Some read, lots of politics..
The fishicks is interesting though.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
All in small labs to start with
Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain
reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to
justify the next steps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1
<snipped nonsense from Russia Today>
He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
That also goes for bots of course :-)
Bill Sloman
2024-09-21 16:11:16 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
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Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
<snipped nonsense from Russia Today>
He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
That also goes for bots of course :-)
Looking at Russia Today is wasting time that could be used to look at
something more informative than what Putin wants you to think.

You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see.

You do need to be more selective about where you get your information.

John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil
carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information
available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes
him a gullible sucker.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Jan Panteltje
2024-09-22 08:44:25 UTC
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On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:11:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<snip>
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
<snipped nonsense from Russia Today>
He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
That also goes for bots of course :-)
Looking at Russia Today is wasting time that could be used to look at
something more informative than what Putin wants you to think.
Well I read it on a daily basis, as I do seeanant and beepbeepsee
There is more on satellite abou the world, many places... some transmit in English
In my days in broadcasting here in the Netherlands we had times were some of the guys wanted to cut
the transmission becasue it was too much right wing in their opinion,
I resisted that.
Now we are moving even more right wing here I think.
Free speech, especially presenting facts, is for the YouAsh military complex tax money stealing club a danger, wars must go on for those criminals.
Just now Al Jazeera was invaded in the west bank and the journalist told to close down and take their cameras and leave:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/22/al-jazeera-office-west-bank-raid-israeli-forces-media
All because they reported about the thousands of little Palestinian (and now also Libanese) kids israhel killed in their genocide?

Imagine Iran did anything like that YouAshAAA would nuke and invade it, seems to be the game anyways, provoke Iran..
Post by Bill Sloman
You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see.
You do need to be more selective about where you get your information.
John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil
carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information
available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes
him a gullible sucker.
Climate change, well your programmer[s] need to read up
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240919174739.htm
Over nearly half a billion years, Earth's global temperature has changed drastically, driven by carbon dioxide

could not get the paper and graphs...
scare mongering works to increase sales of snake oil and 'lectric cars.
Bill Sloman
2024-09-22 10:30:22 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Sep 2024 02:11:16 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
<snip>
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
<snipped nonsense from Russia Today>
He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
That also goes for bots of course :-)
Looking at Russia Today is wasting time that could be used to look at
something more informative than what Putin wants you to think.
Well I read it on a daily basis, as I do seeanant and beepbeepsee
There is more on satellite abou the world, many places... some transmit in English
In my days in broadcasting here in the Netherlands we had times were some of the guys wanted to cut
the transmission becasue it was too much right wing in their opinion,
I resisted that.
Now we are moving even more right wing here I think.
Free speech, especially presenting facts, is for the YouAsh military complex tax money stealing club a danger, wars must go on for those criminals.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/22/al-jazeera-office-west-bank-raid-israeli-forces-media
All because they reported about the thousands of little Palestinian (and now also Libanese) kids israhel killed in their genocide?
Imagine Iran did anything like that YouAshAAA would nuke and invade it, seems to be the game anyways, provoke Iran..
Post by Bill Sloman
You are effectively blind to the information he doesn't want to you to see.
You do need to be more selective about where you get your information.
John Larkin gets all his information about climate change from the
propaganda put out by the people who want to keep up digging up fossil
carbon and selling it for fuel. It's not the most reliable information
available, but he feels insulted when it is pointed out that this makes
him a gullible sucker.
Climate change, well your programmer[s] need to read up
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/09/240919174739.htm
Over nearly half a billion years, Earth's global temperature has changed drastically, driven by carbon dioxide
Which is not what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. In
fact that paper explicitly repeats the scientific concensus on global
warming, thopugh you don't seem to have read it carefully enough to notice.
Post by Jan Panteltje
could not get the paper and graphs...
scare mongering works to increase sales of snake oil and 'lectric cars.
That's what John Larkin's snake oil salesmen are telling him. More
reliable sources see it differently.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Cursitor Doom
2024-09-22 07:43:07 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.
Dear slow-man script
Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.
I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff
wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that
copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.
What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.
That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise
that fission was going on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner
Some read, lots of politics..
The fishicks is interesting though.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
All in small labs to start with
Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain
reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to
justify the next steps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1
<snipped nonsense from Russia Today>
He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
That also goes for bots of course :-)
Bill prefers sources like Wikipedia, which any damn fool can edit -
and plenty have.
Bill Sloman
2024-09-22 10:37:43 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 22:03:02 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:51:34 +1000) it happened Bill Sloman
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than CERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
CERN does fundamental rather than applied research - not a distinction
that Jan Panteltje has the wit to understand.
Dear slow-man script
Please have you creat-tor remove the part that insults every-body
doing so would improve your status as a humming bean clone.
I don't insult everybody - I just insult ignorant clowns like you, and
it's incidental to the business of pointing out that they have got stuff
wrong. If you were a slightly less ignorant clown you'd be aware that
copying John Larkin's insults isn't a winning strategy.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
Of course the research that lead to the atomic bomb was just as
fundamental, and few people expected that it would be of any practical use.
What did lead to the a-bomb was Curie and a room sized lab
and some thinking by Enrico Fermi.
That does miss out quite a lot. Lise Meitner was the first to recognise
that fission was going on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lise_Meitner
Some read, lots of politics..
The fishicks is interesting though.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/fermi-produces-the-first-nuclear-chain-reaction
All in small labs to start with
Strictly speaking, Fermi didn't quite get to a self-sustaining chain
reaction in the University of Chicago squash court - which wasn't a
small room - though he did get pretty close, and quite close enough to
justify the next steps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Pile-1
<snipped nonsense from Russia Today>
He who does not want to see is effectively blind.
That also goes for bots of course :-)
Bill prefers sources like Wikipedia, which any damn fool can edit -
and plenty have.
I do cite Wikipedia a lot, but I do read what I cite before I cite it,
and if it doesn't line up with all the other stuff I've read I don't
cite it.

Any damn fool can try to edit a Wikipedia entry, but they have to add
something useful before the editorial process will let it get through to
the universally accessible version.

Cursitor Doom does like his nonsense to be thoroughly implausible, and
Wikipedia doesn't deliver that.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
john larkin
2024-09-21 15:44:01 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.
Bill Sloman
2024-09-21 16:26:17 UTC
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Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.
Tunnels in Switzerland wouldn't be all that useful to Hamas, and those
particular tunnels are very heavily instrumented - Israel could probably
tap the data stream and work out exactly when and where Hamas was
planning to pop out and work some mischief (not that they work much
mischief in Switzerland).

Tom Holt invented the portable door

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Portable_Door

and perhaps John Larkin thinks that CERN exploited the same technology
to create its tunnel.

He certainly soaks up all the fiction published by the climate change
denial propaganda machine.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Jeroen Belleman
2024-09-21 17:14:28 UTC
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Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.
There's the little issue of transport.

Jeroen Bellenab
Jan Panteltje
2024-09-22 08:43:06 UTC
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On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:44:01 -0700) it happened john larkin
Post by john larkin
Post by Jan Panteltje
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/09/cern-will-expel-hundreds-of-russia-affiliated-scientists-by-december/
But Geneva-based organization will retain ties with Joint Institute for Nuclear Research.
So maybe then Russia will get some more usable stuff than ZERN ever did
CERN will still work as bomb shelters though.
Maybe they can sell the tunnels to Hamas.
Yes too small for all of israhel!
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