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OT: Disappointed with Trump
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Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 17:32:48 UTC
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
Tom Gardner
2017-04-07 17:42:50 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
Are you surprised?!

If so, that says a lot about you.
tom
2017-04-07 18:28:22 UTC
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Post by Tom Gardner
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
Are you surprised?!
If so, that says a lot about you.
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 18:31:51 UTC
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Post by tom
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
Of *course* not. But the culpability of the Assad regime in this outrage
needed to be established 100% before taking such action - and it hasn't
been. Far from it.
Jim Thompson
2017-04-07 18:57:08 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 18:31:51 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by tom
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
Of *course* not. But the culpability of the Assad regime in this outrage
needed to be established 100% before taking such action - and it hasn't
been. Far from it.
Crikey!

Have you assumed support of the alternate spelling of Obama... PANSY?

Or are you becoming as Schumer... SCHMUCK?

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Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 20:50:55 UTC
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Post by Jim Thompson
Crikey!
Have you assumed support of the alternate spelling of Obama... PANSY?
Or are you becoming as Schumer... SCHMUCK?
I'm not the one who's suddenly changed tack, Jim. Trump promised to stop
squandering American tax dollars on pointless foreign entanglements. That
was a key election pledge. Yet here we are, less than 4 months later....
Jim Thompson
2017-04-07 22:25:30 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:50:55 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jim Thompson
Crikey!
Have you assumed support of the alternate spelling of Obama... PANSY?
Or are you becoming as Schumer... SCHMUCK?
I'm not the one who's suddenly changed tack, Jim. Trump promised to stop
squandering American tax dollars on pointless foreign entanglements. That
was a key election pledge. Yet here we are, less than 4 months later....
I don't view it as "pointless"... it's about time we started kicking
ass internationally again. (I can recall when it was safe for
Americans to travel abroad... now I'm not sure I'd even go to Canada
;-)

...Jim Thompson
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bitrex
2017-04-07 19:08:59 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by tom
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
Of *course* not. But the culpability of the Assad regime in this outrage
needed to be established 100% before taking such action - and it hasn't
been. Far from it.
Not to mention the fact that if Assad had any brains he would've hauled
away anything remotely of actual military value from that airbase
(chemical weapons, the Russian guys advising the Syrians on how to
deploy them) days ago when Trump started getting emotional on TV about it.

Oh, and also tipped off the Russians about it, likely at least somewhat
before the cruise missiles were launched, and then travel time, so
figure a good hour or two. Place was flippin' deserted by the time they
arrived would be my guess.

From the photo set I see a couple craters in runways and the wreckage
of some crusty 40 year old Mig-23s. Not exactly high-value targets here.

If you want to send an actual "message" then it's just "we're a bit
concerned" business-as-usual until 5 minutes before warheads are landing
on top of the planes, weapons, pilots, Russian advisors, and everything
else.

Sort of basic Sun Tzu stuff.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 03:17:39 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by tom
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
Of *course* not. But the culpability of the Assad regime in this outrage
needed to be established 100% before taking such action - and it hasn't
been. Far from it.
Cursitor Doom has a short memory - Assad used nerve gas earlier, and - under international pressure - agreed to get rid of all his stocks of chemical warfare agents. Clearly he didn't. Nobody else has a history of using chemical warfare in Syria, so he does have to be the prime suspect.

The US knew enough about the attack to target the particular airfield it came from - radar does let you keep track of military aircraft - so the case is pretty much open and shut. Not that Cursitor Doom is going to let obvious evidence have any influence on the opinion he adopts.
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tom
2017-04-08 06:00:31 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by tom
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
Of *course* not. But the culpability of the Assad regime in this outrage
needed to be established 100% before taking such action - and it hasn't
been. Far from it.
How would you know what they have established as fact? It's not likely they
would release the intelligence they have. I think Trump has finally set a
good baseline for these two bit dictators. Kim is probably not sleeping too
well tonight.

So what would your solution be? Let's give the President the benefit of
doubt that he has proof that Assad used Sarin gas on civilians.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 08:22:59 UTC
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Post by tom
So what would your solution be?
Stay the hell away from it all.
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 13:16:49 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:22:59 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by tom
So what would your solution be?
Stay the hell away from it all.
And Kim? Let WMDs become the weapons of choice among two-bit
dictators and terrorists? Good plan, Mr. Obama.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 13:37:08 UTC
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And Kim? Let WMDs become the weapons of choice among two-bit dictators
and terrorists? Good plan, Mr. Obama.
Should have been taken out years ago.
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 15:20:59 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:37:08 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
And Kim? Let WMDs become the weapons of choice among two-bit dictators
and terrorists? Good plan, Mr. Obama.
Should have been taken out years ago.
...and the difference between someone throwing around nerve gas and
missiles is?
bitrex
2017-04-07 19:12:45 UTC
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Post by tom
Post by Tom Gardner
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
Are you surprised?!
If so, that says a lot about you.
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
I'll support it when I see a full accounting of how many tons of
chemical weapons and kid-killing Russian advisers were blown to
smithereens in the strike.

Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Jon Elson
2017-04-07 19:24:39 UTC
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Post by bitrex
I'll support it when I see a full accounting of how many tons of
chemical weapons and kid-killing Russian advisers were blown to
smithereens in the strike.
Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Yup, close to $200 million for that salvo.

Jon
bitrex
2017-04-07 19:37:12 UTC
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Post by Jon Elson
Post by bitrex
I'll support it when I see a full accounting of how many tons of
chemical weapons and kid-killing Russian advisers were blown to
smithereens in the strike.
Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Yup, close to $200 million for that salvo.
Jon
You don't have to be a BDA expert to see from the drone aftermath video
that the "massive damage" was relatively minor - I counted at least 10
planes still sitting on the tarmac untouched and the main runway was
uncratered, without a scratch.

It'll be back up and running by Monday.
bitrex
2017-04-07 19:43:25 UTC
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Post by bitrex
Post by Jon Elson
Post by bitrex
I'll support it when I see a full accounting of how many tons of
chemical weapons and kid-killing Russian advisers were blown to
smithereens in the strike.
Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Yup, close to $200 million for that salvo.
Jon
You don't have to be a BDA expert to see from the drone aftermath video
that the "massive damage" was relatively minor - I counted at least 10
planes still sitting on the tarmac untouched and the main runway was
uncratered, without a scratch.
It'll be back up and running by Monday.
Granted it's possible the aircraft on the ground were hit by the type
that disperses sub-munitions and are all full of holes that aren't
visible. But the tarmac around them looks pristine.
whit3rd
2017-04-07 20:13:14 UTC
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Post by bitrex
Post by Jon Elson
Post by bitrex
Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Yup, close to $200 million for that salvo.
You don't have to be a BDA expert to see from the drone aftermath video
that the "massive damage" was relatively minor - I counted at least 10
planes still sitting on the tarmac untouched and the main runway was
uncratered, without a scratch.
It'll be back up and running by Monday.
And the Russians won't again be able to claim that they are in control of the situation.
Have to agree with JL on this one, the move was well-considered.

Damage looks spectacular in movies, in real life it looks relatively minor, but
it ain't. Don't think that the runway was the target: runways are just flat spots
on the ground, a waste of good munitions if you hit that.
bitrex
2017-04-07 20:32:55 UTC
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Post by whit3rd
Post by bitrex
Post by Jon Elson
Post by bitrex
Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Yup, close to $200 million for that salvo.
You don't have to be a BDA expert to see from the drone aftermath video
that the "massive damage" was relatively minor - I counted at least 10
planes still sitting on the tarmac untouched and the main runway was
uncratered, without a scratch.
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It'll be back up and running by Monday.
And the Russians won't again be able to claim that they are in control of the situation.
Have to agree with JL on this one, the move was well-considered.
Damage looks spectacular in movies, in real life it looks relatively minor, but
it ain't. Don't think that the runway was the target: runways are just flat spots
on the ground, a waste of good munitions if you hit that.
During the Falklands War the British were consistently surprised how
rapidly the Argentines were able to get Port Stanley airfield back up
and running.

It was hit with "237 bombs, 1,200 shells, and 16 missiles" over the
course of the conflict, but never out of action for any significant
length of time.

If the runway was not the target you wonder what actually was. They
likely had days of warning to disperse stuff.
bitrex
2017-04-07 20:35:26 UTC
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Post by whit3rd
And the Russians won't again be able to claim that they are in control of the situation.
Have to agree with JL on this one, the move was well-considered.
What the Russians are likely saying is "You see those warships moving
towards your Tomahawk-launching platforms? They will send them to the
bottom if they try a stunt like that again without consulting us."

Shall we call their bluff? Are they just joking?
tom
2017-04-07 20:39:54 UTC
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Post by bitrex
I'll support it when I see a full accounting of how many tons of
chemical weapons and kid-killing Russian advisers were blown to
smithereens in the strike.
Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Yup, close to $200 million for that salvo.
Jon
They were all coming up on their use by date.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 21:08:40 UTC
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Post by tom
Post by Jon Elson
Post by bitrex
I'll support it when I see a full accounting of how many tons of
chemical weapons and kid-killing Russian advisers were blown to
smithereens in the strike.
Without that it's just putting expensive holes in the dirt.
Yup, close to $200 million for that salvo.
Jon
They were all coming up on their use by date.
And it doesn't matter if they hit jack. It's still ker-ching for the arms
companies. They're the only *guaranteed* winners in any conflict.
Tom Gardner
2017-04-07 20:48:03 UTC
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Post by tom
Post by Tom Gardner
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
Are you surprised?!
If so, that says a lot about you.
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
And that's a strawman argument if ever I saw one.

Neither I nor the OP suggested that in any way.
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 00:30:04 UTC
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Post by tom
Post by Tom Gardner
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
Are you surprised?!
If so, that says a lot about you.
So you guys are OK with using nerve gas on kids? Says a lot about you.
Worse, nerve gas becoming ho hum.
John Robertson
2017-04-07 19:01:34 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
You appear to be operating under the assumption that Mr. Trump tells the
truth - especially while campaigning.

He said what was needed to get elected. He had/has no foreign policy
other than to spread the Trump brand.

He is a land shark...

John
John Larkin
2017-04-07 19:23:22 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.

Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
bitrex
2017-04-07 20:02:36 UTC
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Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
John Larkin
2017-04-07 20:07:50 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
bitrex
2017-04-07 20:42:44 UTC
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Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
If D is ready to risk the lives of thousands of American servicemen and
women and tell them "Hey, don't worry, just launch as many Tomahawks as
we tell ya those Russian navy ships definitely won't do anything about
it", then sure.

I mean, he must be 100% sure that they're bluffing to put thousands of
American's lives at risk, right? Right?
John Larkin
2017-04-07 21:34:59 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:42:44 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
If D is ready to risk the lives of thousands of American servicemen and
women and tell them "Hey, don't worry, just launch as many Tomahawks as
we tell ya those Russian navy ships definitely won't do anything about
it", then sure.
I mean, he must be 100% sure that they're bluffing to put thousands of
American's lives at risk, right? Right?
Do you think Vlad will send a few Russian frigates to attack the US
Navy, to defend Assad's right to use poison gas against children?

I don't. T's team was brilliant.
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picosecond timing precision measurement

jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
bitrex
2017-04-07 21:53:09 UTC
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Post by John Larkin
Do you think Vlad will send a few Russian frigates to attack the US
Navy, to defend Assad's right to use poison gas against children?
I don't. T's team was brilliant.
I think it's a bit more basic than that - he might do it with the main
reason being "you kept on doing something that we told you not to do."

#1 way to get someone to behave irrationally is to make them look
impotent and flout their boundaries again and again, regardless of
whether their reasons for setting them are rational, or not.
bitrex
2017-04-07 21:56:41 UTC
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Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
Do you think Vlad will send a few Russian frigates to attack the US
Navy, to defend Assad's right to use poison gas against children?
I don't. T's team was brilliant.
I think it's a bit more basic than that - he might do it with the main
reason being "you kept on doing something that we told you not to do."
#1 way to get someone to behave irrationally is to make them look
impotent and flout their boundaries again and again, regardless of
whether their reasons for setting them are rational, or not.
Would the Soviets have launched a nuclear strike on the US in 1962 to
defend dumpy ol' Cuba had the US launched airstrikes?

You bet they would have! It later came out they gave the ground
commanders authority to launch on warning!
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 02:37:53 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:42:44 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
If D is ready to risk the lives of thousands of American servicemen and
women and tell them "Hey, don't worry, just launch as many Tomahawks as
we tell ya those Russian navy ships definitely won't do anything about
it", then sure.
I mean, he must be 100% sure that they're bluffing to put thousands of
American's lives at risk, right? Right?
Isn't The D was in P's pocket? Isn't that the leftists' position?
bitrex
2017-04-08 03:49:08 UTC
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Post by k***@notreal.com
Post by bitrex
If D is ready to risk the lives of thousands of American servicemen and
women and tell them "Hey, don't worry, just launch as many Tomahawks as
we tell ya those Russian navy ships definitely won't do anything about
it", then sure.
I mean, he must be 100% sure that they're bluffing to put thousands of
American's lives at risk, right? Right?
Isn't The D was in P's pocket? Isn't that the leftists' position?
Maybe "some leftists"; for my part if there was Russian interference in
the elections I honestly couldn't tell ya what result the Russians
wanted, maybe they didn't even know themselves. "Some Russians" seemed
happy about Trump's victory, but what they really think about anything
at the highest levels of government nobody really knows, and they
certainly aren't telling.

In any case, "friendships" between personality types like these can be
pretty fickle things, know to turn sour quickly.
bitrex
2017-04-07 20:50:45 UTC
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Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
It's definitely like living in upside-down world when Conservatives
berate liberals for "supporting Muslims" so much, but just show a few
murdered kids out of the thousands and thousands that our perpetual
bungles have gotten killed there on TV and say that the solution
involves expensive weaponry, and they're chomping at the bit to risk war
with Russia and put thousands of Americans lives on the line to
white-knight for fuckin' Syria.

Weird.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 22:45:54 UTC
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Post by bitrex
It's definitely like living in upside-down world when Conservatives
berate liberals for "supporting Muslims" so much, but just show a few
murdered kids out of the thousands and thousands that our perpetual
bungles have gotten killed there on TV and say that the solution
involves expensive weaponry, and they're chomping at the bit to risk war
with Russia and put thousands of Americans lives on the line to
white-knight for fuckin' Syria.
For once I agree with you. Fuck Syria; let them clean their own shit up.
The US and Britain can't keep wiping everyone else's butts for them. It
only makes these kind of people worse if they believe some third party
will always step in and fix up their fuck-ups for them.
bitrex
2017-04-08 00:00:34 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by bitrex
It's definitely like living in upside-down world when Conservatives
berate liberals for "supporting Muslims" so much, but just show a few
murdered kids out of the thousands and thousands that our perpetual
bungles have gotten killed there on TV and say that the solution
involves expensive weaponry, and they're chomping at the bit to risk war
with Russia and put thousands of Americans lives on the line to
white-knight for fuckin' Syria.
For once I agree with you. Fuck Syria; let them clean their own shit up.
The US and Britain can't keep wiping everyone else's butts for them. It
only makes these kind of people worse if they believe some third party
will always step in and fix up their fuck-ups for them.
"When you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you need to do is
stop digging."
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 02:40:27 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 22:45:54 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by bitrex
It's definitely like living in upside-down world when Conservatives
berate liberals for "supporting Muslims" so much, but just show a few
murdered kids out of the thousands and thousands that our perpetual
bungles have gotten killed there on TV and say that the solution
involves expensive weaponry, and they're chomping at the bit to risk war
with Russia and put thousands of Americans lives on the line to
white-knight for fuckin' Syria.
For once I agree with you. Fuck Syria; let them clean their own shit up.
The US and Britain can't keep wiping everyone else's butts for them. It
only makes these kind of people worse if they believe some third party
will always step in and fix up their fuck-ups for them.
The problem is that if you let Assad get away with chemical weapons,
he'll keep using them. With no sanctions no one else would shy away
from them, either. ...and what's in Syria doesn't stay in Syria.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 08:25:21 UTC
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Post by k***@notreal.com
The problem is that if you let Assad get away with chemical weapons,
he'll keep using them.
I'm kind of doubting Assad had anything to do with this. It's looking
more and more like a staged false flag to galvanise support for more war.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 10:36:12 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by k***@notreal.com
The problem is that if you let Assad get away with chemical weapons,
he'll keep using them.
I'm kind of doubting Assad had anything to do with this. It's looking
more and more like a staged false flag to galvanise support for more war.
So who else do you think had access to chemical weapons in Syria?

The chemistry isn't that complicated, but the infra-structure required to make and store them without getting yourself killed is tolerably elaborate, and the complications of delivering the agents by air all make Assad the likely suspect, and nobody else. The Russians and the Americans have the technology, but what would have been in it for them?
--
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John Devereux
2017-04-08 11:49:11 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by k***@notreal.com
The problem is that if you let Assad get away with chemical weapons,
he'll keep using them.
I'm kind of doubting Assad had anything to do with this. It's looking
more and more like a staged false flag to galvanise support for more war.
You mean it's all a ... <gasp> ... *Conspiracy* ???
--
John Devereux
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 13:18:03 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:25:21 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by k***@notreal.com
The problem is that if you let Assad get away with chemical weapons,
he'll keep using them.
I'm kind of doubting Assad had anything to do with this. It's looking
more and more like a staged false flag to galvanise support for more war.
Yeah, that's it. A grand conspiracy theory kills kids.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 13:47:38 UTC
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Post by k***@notreal.com
Yeah, that's it. A grand conspiracy theory kills kids.
Do try to pay attention better.....

https://www.infowars.com/false-flag-attack-started-syriaus-conflict-alex-
jones-reports/
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 15:21:38 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:47:38 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by k***@notreal.com
Yeah, that's it. A grand conspiracy theory kills kids.
Do try to pay attention better.....
https://www.infowars.com/false-flag-attack-started-syriaus-conflict-alex-
jones-reports/
You really are a conspiracy theory nutcase.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 15:22:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by k***@notreal.com
Yeah, that's it. A grand conspiracy theory kills kids.
Do try to pay attention better.....
https://www.infowars.com/false-flag-attack-started-syriaus-conflict-alex-
jones-reports/
Alex Jones has just the idiot conspiracy theory to appeal to a half-wit like Cursitor Mild Disappointment.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Clive Arthur
2017-04-07 22:36:05 UTC
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Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
Poison gas is bad. So are explosives, bravely delivered by robot from
out of harm's way.

Cheers
--
Clive
John Larkin
2017-04-07 22:52:07 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 23:36:05 +0100, Clive Arthur
Post by Clive Arthur
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
Poison gas is bad. So are explosives, bravely delivered by robot from
out of harm's way.
Cheers
So, on balance, keep gassing children?

Sounds like about 70 people, maybe 20 children, were killed by that
recent nerve gas attack, then 7 Syrian military guys killed by
explosives.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-bashar-al-assad-syria-airstrikes-missile-a7671421.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/05/middleeast/idlib-syria-attack/
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Jim Thompson
2017-04-07 22:53:15 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 23:36:05 +0100, Clive Arthur
Post by Clive Arthur
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 16:02:36 -0400, bitrex
Post by bitrex
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
If they use more poison gas, D must respond.
Poison gas is bad. So are explosives, bravely delivered by robot from
out of harm's way.
Cheers
Like it or not, Robotic Warfare is now the Standard Operating
Procedure... we are now recruiting gamers whose visual acuity and
reflexes can track multiple objects simultaneously on a monitor... and
dispose of them >:-}

The general public cares not about the enemy's losses... only our own.

...Jim Thompson
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d***@krl.org
2017-04-08 01:00:23 UTC
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Post by bitrex
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
What do you base your guarantee on?

Dan
tom
2017-04-08 01:13:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@krl.org
Post by bitrex
Runway looks fine; the airbase will be back up to speed by the end of
the weekend launching strike sorties, and I guarantee you they won't
launch 60 more at it.
What do you base your guarantee on?
Dan
He is a world renowned military tactics expert, don't you know?
Steve Wilson
2017-04-07 20:10:27 UTC
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Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's
not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
Very little damage. Some holes in the runways, a few bunkers hit, some Migs
lost. The base will be completely operational in a few weeks. The cost to
repair is far less than the 59 Tomahawks. Hardly a deterrent for anything.

The attack cost him support from his own people, risks further difficulties
as Russia retracted agreements for interoperational flights over Syria, and
further convinced the world he is ignorant, unpredictable, immature, and
unfit for the position.

You need to take your blinders off. The guy is an idiot and presents a
severe risk to the entire world.
d***@krl.org
2017-04-08 00:49:09 UTC
Permalink
On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 4:10:33 PM UTC-4, Steve Wilson wrote:




and
further convinced the world he is unpredictable
A good thing. Do you think that having countries think that nothing will happen regardless of what they do is a good thing?

Dan
John Larkin
2017-04-08 00:53:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@krl.org
and
further convinced the world he is unpredictable
A good thing. Do you think that having countries think that nothing will happen regardless of what they do is a good thing?
Dan
Sometimes the best way to win is to act crazy. Most people can't deal
with that.
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picosecond timing precision measurement

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b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 03:32:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Larkin
Post by d***@krl.org
and further convinced the world he is unpredictable
A good thing. Do you think that having countries think that nothing will happen regardless of what they do is a good thing?
Sometimes the best way to win is to act crazy. Most people can't deal
with that.
Sure they can. They call up the local psychiatric services and have you taken away. High time the White House staff did that with Trump.

Not that bombing Assad's airport was all that crazy. Extravagant, perhaps but it did make a point.
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George Herold
2017-04-07 20:25:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?

George H.
Post by John Larkin
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement
jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Steve Wilson
2017-04-07 20:49:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope
it's not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
George H.
Yes. That's the real problem. He has opened up risks that are incalculable.
A huge loss for very little gain. Where do we go from here?

I don't see how anything good can come from this.
bitrex
2017-04-07 20:58:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Wilson
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope
it's not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
George H.
Yes. That's the real problem. He has opened up risks that are incalculable.
A huge loss for very little gain. Where do we go from here?
I don't see how anything good can come from this.
At least Obama was smart enough to not walk into obvious setups like
this situation in the fashion that Sun Tzu Trump here just did
Dave Platt
2017-04-07 21:29:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Wilson
Post by George Herold
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
George H.
Yes. That's the real problem. He has opened up risks that are incalculable.
A huge loss for very little gain. Where do we go from here?
I don't see how anything good can come from this.
Trump, on Twitter, June 15, 2013: "We should stay the hell out of
Syria, are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR
LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?"

On Twitter, Aug. 29, 2013: "What will we get for bombing Syria besides
more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional
approval."

On Twitter, Sept. 5, 2013: "The only reason President Obama wants to
attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do
NOT attack Syria, fix U.S.A."

How times (and opinions) do change!
Jim Thompson
2017-04-07 22:26:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Wilson
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope
it's not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
George H.
Yes. That's the real problem. He has opened up risks that are incalculable.
A huge loss for very little gain. Where do we go from here?
I don't see how anything good can come from this.
Pansies will cower in the corner sucking their thumbs ?>:-}

...Jim Thompson
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George Herold
2017-04-08 01:10:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Wilson
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope
it's not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
George H.
Yes. That's the real problem. He has opened up risks that are incalculable.
A huge loss for very little gain. Where do we go from here?
I don't see how anything good can come from this.
Huh, OK. I don't like Trump. Syria is a mess,
Obama made a deal with the Russian's that they
would get rid of the gas in Syria. R's call O a
wuss 'cos he didn't bomb them. I don't know.
That didn't work.
He's (Trump) punched them in the nose. It's deserved.
He's made nothing worse.
George H.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 03:27:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Wilson
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope
it's not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
George H.
Yes. That's the real problem. He has opened up risks that are incalculable.
Probably not. Bombing Assad isn't exactly a provocative action, and military intelligence always calculate on the basis of capabilities, not intentions, so the risks are still perfectly calculable, and slightly reduced (since some of Assad's military assets have been put out of commission.)
Post by Steve Wilson
A huge loss for very little gain. Where do we go from here?
Where's the loss?
Post by Steve Wilson
I don't see how anything good can come from this.
The next set of drone missiles would have to target Assad himself. That does strike me as a step in the right direction.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
George Herold
2017-04-08 03:39:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by b***@ieee.org
Post by Steve Wilson
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope
it's not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
George H.
Yes. That's the real problem. He has opened up risks that are incalculable.
Probably not. Bombing Assad isn't exactly a provocative action, and military intelligence always calculate on the basis of capabilities, not intentions, so the risks are still perfectly calculable, and slightly reduced (since some of Assad's military assets have been put out of commission.)
Post by Steve Wilson
A huge loss for very little gain. Where do we go from here?
Where's the loss?
Post by Steve Wilson
I don't see how anything good can come from this.
The next set of drone missiles would have to target Assad himself. That does strike me as a step in the right direction.
Huh, Bill I mostly skip over your political stuff, but I find myself
in sharp agreement.

George H.
Post by b***@ieee.org
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Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 08:32:08 UTC
Permalink
Huh, Bill I mostly skip over your political stuff, but I find myself in
sharp agreement.
No surprise there, then. You've always proved yourself to be as big a
fool as he is. And that takes *some* doing.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 10:45:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cursitor Doom
Huh, Bill I mostly skip over your political stuff, but I find myself in
sharp agreement.
No surprise there, then. You've always proved yourself to be as big a
fool as he is. And that takes *some* doing.
Cursitor Doom's idea of a fool is somebody who doesn't believe what gets published in the Express. The rest of the world finds that only fools would believe the rubbish published there, and that Cursitor Doom is one of them.

Cursiotr Doom is convinced that anybody who doesn't share his addlepated opinions is a fool. In fact he is the fool, and his judgements are not to be taken seriously.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Tom Gardner
2017-04-07 20:50:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
A sensible and useful question.
bitrex
2017-04-07 21:08:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom Gardner
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what
happens next?en
A sensible and useful question.
The US spends a lot of time and effort "investigating" what Russia knew
and when they knew it, for no discernible purpose.

Meanwhile Russia and Assad proceed to win back the rest of the country
unopposed, knowing the Trump administration has played its best card and
it was just a smokeshow.
d***@krl.org
2017-04-08 00:56:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Tom Gardner
Post by George Herold
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
A sensible and useful question.
And one that Assad is undoubtedly pondering.

Dan
Tom Gardner
2017-04-08 08:12:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by d***@krl.org
Post by Tom Gardner
Post by George Herold
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
A sensible and useful question.
And one that Assad is undoubtedly pondering.
And everyone else.

Anybody got some bones or sheep's intestines handy?
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 21:31:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Herold
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
I'd imagine Russia becomes far more nervous. They'd thought he was
sympathetic to them. Now they're not so sure. And relations have taken a
severe hit. :(
Lasse Langwadt Christensen
2017-04-07 21:41:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by George Herold
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
I'd imagine Russia becomes far more nervous. They'd thought he was
sympathetic to them. Now they're not so sure. And relations have taken a
severe hit. :(
afaiu the Russians were told when and where in advance so they could get
out of the way
Jim Thompson
2017-04-07 22:29:42 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 14:41:59 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Post by Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by George Herold
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
I'd imagine Russia becomes far more nervous. They'd thought he was
sympathetic to them. Now they're not so sure. And relations have taken a
severe hit. :(
afaiu the Russians were told when and where in advance so they could get
out of the way
True! Plus the Russian economy is actually in shambles. I suspect
Putin will tip-toe backwards with a few incentives offered by Trump.

PLUS: China needs our markets... watch China knock off DRNK toy boy.

...Jim Thompson
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k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 02:44:48 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 07 Apr 2017 15:29:42 -0700, Jim Thompson
Post by Jim Thompson
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 14:41:59 -0700 (PDT), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Post by Lasse Langwadt Christensen
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by George Herold
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
I'd imagine Russia becomes far more nervous. They'd thought he was
sympathetic to them. Now they're not so sure. And relations have taken a
severe hit. :(
afaiu the Russians were told when and where in advance so they could get
out of the way
True! Plus the Russian economy is actually in shambles. I suspect
Putin will tip-toe backwards with a few incentives offered by Trump.
PLUS: China needs our markets... watch China knock off DRNK toy boy.
They don't seem to want to put the handcuffs on Kim. It's time to
raise the ante. Tell them Japan will go nuclear if Kim is allowed to
go one step further to deliverable nukes.
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 02:41:31 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
Assad's move.
George Herold
2017-04-08 03:26:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by k***@notreal.com
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
Assad's move.
Right, or Putin's which is the scary part.

GH
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 03:35:05 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:26:47 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
Post by George Herold
Post by k***@notreal.com
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
Assad's move.
Right, or Putin's which is the scary part.
Putin won't do anything. Assad isn't worth it.
George Herold
2017-04-08 03:45:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by k***@notreal.com
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:26:47 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
Post by George Herold
Post by k***@notreal.com
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
Post by George Herold
Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
Assad's move.
Right, or Putin's which is the scary part.
Putin won't do anything. Assad isn't worth it.
I guess I'm not expecting military action from Putin.
not sure what,
George H.
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 13:20:31 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:45:09 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 20:26:47 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 13:25:25 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
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Post by John Larkin
On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
I don't have a problem with the air strike. My question is what happens next?
Assad's move.
Right, or Putin's which is the scary part.
Putin won't do anything. Assad isn't worth it.
I guess I'm not expecting military action from Putin.
not sure what,
What's he going to do? Stop loaning the US money? Interfere in some
mayoral elections? <chuckle>
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 08:45:46 UTC
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Putin won't do anything. Assad isn't worth it.
Not so sure. The Russia/Syria relationship goes back quite a way.
The real danger is it raises the odds of a fatal misunderstanding on a
'Whoops Apocalypse' basis.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 11:00:25 UTC
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Putin won't do anything. Assad isn't worth it.
Not so sure. The Russia/Syria relationship goes back quite a way.
The real danger is it raises the odds of a fatal misunderstanding on a
'Whoops Apocalypse' basis.
The Syria-Russia relationship is one between a pair of pariahs. They don't have shared mutual interests, and if Assad lost the power to let the Russians use Tartus as a naval base, they'd have no interest in him at all.
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2017-04-08 13:21:15 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:45:46 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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Putin won't do anything. Assad isn't worth it.
Not so sure. The Russia/Syria relationship goes back quite a way.
The real danger is it raises the odds of a fatal misunderstanding on a
'Whoops Apocalypse' basis.
I suppose you've never heard of MAD. Don't be such a Slowman.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 13:51:26 UTC
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I suppose you've never heard of MAD.
John McCain and his chicken-hawk cronies certainly don't seem to have
heard of it. Still, he's had his life and probably doesn't give a FF for
the future of the planet now.
k***@notreal.com
2017-04-08 15:22:51 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:51:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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I suppose you've never heard of MAD.
John McCain and his chicken-hawk cronies certainly don't seem to have
heard of it. Still, he's had his life and probably doesn't give a FF for
the future of the planet now.
McCain is a chicken-hawk? Alrighty, then... You've gotten the
Slowman disease.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 15:26:47 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:51:26 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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I suppose you've never heard of MAD.
John McCain and his chicken-hawk cronies certainly don't seem to have
heard of it. Still, he's had his life and probably doesn't give a FF for
the future of the planet now.
McCain is a chicken-hawk? Alrighty, then... You've gotten the
Sloman disease.
No he's just a common-or-garden krw-style idiot - too dim to appreciate how little he knows.
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b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 15:25:19 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:45:46 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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Putin won't do anything. Assad isn't worth it.
Not so sure. The Russia/Syria relationship goes back quite a way.
The real danger is it raises the odds of a fatal misunderstanding on a
'Whoops Apocalypse' basis.
I suppose you've never heard of MAD. Don't be such a Sloman.
Krw is being seriously insulting here. If he showed any sign of understanding anything he talks about I'd take it personally.
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Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 21:15:38 UTC
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What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Nope. Anything McCain is in favour of is well worth avoiding.
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Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will be
leveled. Now THATS a red line.
We still don't know for sure that Assad was responsible! A sizeable
proportion of the on-line Commentariat is not at all convinced. If Trump
wants to prove he's not afraid of launching assaults, he should take out
N. Korea, because *everyone* knows for sure, 100%, that that little
yellow fucker *is* a very serious danger to regional security. And he's
not content to be just a regional threat, either.
John Larkin
2017-04-07 22:31:33 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 21:15:38 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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Post by John Larkin
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Nope. Anything McCain is in favour of is well worth avoiding.
Post by John Larkin
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will be
leveled. Now THATS a red line.
We still don't know for sure that Assad was responsible! A sizeable
proportion of the on-line Commentariat is not at all convinced.
You refer to the Twitter experts? The objective thinkers at CNN?

Apprently T's national security panel was unanimous on the attack.
Some of those people are pretty good.

I have no doubt that over Syria, anything bigger than a parrot is
tracked by radar in real time. Apparently the gas attack was tracked
to that airbase.

If Trump
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wants to prove he's not afraid of launching assaults, he should take out
N. Korea, because *everyone* knows for sure, 100%, that that little
yellow fucker *is* a very serious danger to regional security. And he's
not content to be just a regional threat, either.
Didn't he just prove it?
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Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 23:16:36 UTC
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Didn't he just prove it?
Yes, but he should have proved it on something that's actually *worth*
the expense!
Steve Wilson
2017-04-07 21:28:30 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's
not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
The attack was stupid and accomplished nothing as a deterrent. It cost a
huge amount in Trump's own support and worldwide condemmnation.

What he should have done is to target the buildings where the Sarin is made
and stored. This would have cost far fewer Tomahawks, have shown Assad he
has no safe place to hide, and shown the world that he was the source of
the gas. Of course, it would take little to create new labs to make more,
but if they can be destroyed so easily, there is no sense in doing so. That
is deterrence.

It would have won world support, convinced Assad he is at risk for future
attacks, and shown the US knows what it is doing.

But just the opposite happened. Trump gave further evidence he is an idiot.
John Larkin
2017-04-07 22:43:51 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's
not a sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
The attack was stupid and accomplished nothing as a deterrent.
If you're right, we'll see more gas attacks on children. Then we'll
see more Syrian air bases leveled. Eventually they'll run out of
planes.


It cost a
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huge amount in Trump's own support and worldwide condemmnation.
Maybe.
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What he should have done is to target the buildings where the Sarin is made
and stored. This would have cost far fewer Tomahawks, have shown Assad he
has no safe place to hide, and shown the world that he was the source of
the gas. Of course, it would take little to create new labs to make more,
but if they can be destroyed so easily, there is no sense in doing so. That
is deterrence.
We have lots of old non-stealth cruise missiles. May as well use them.

Blasting the air base sent a message to the Syrian military, too.
Don't gas kids.
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It would have won world support, convinced Assad he is at risk for future
attacks, and shown the US knows what it is doing.
But just the opposite happened. Trump gave further evidence he is an idiot.
Or that he's not "red line" Obama. Who incidentally launched about 300
cruise missiles at live targets. Without CNN complaining.
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Cursitor Doom
2017-04-07 23:08:05 UTC
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But just the opposite happened. Trump gave further evidence he is an idiot.
It's depressingly clear that all you have to do is show some footage of
children screaming to certain people and all their prior sound reasoning
ability instantly goes straight out the window. How easily some folks are
manipulated.
The old 'problem-reaction-solution' tactic Ron Paul warned us about still
works as well as ever it did. :(
JM
2017-04-07 23:58:25 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/deleted-daily-mail-online-article-us-backed-plan-for-chemical-weapon-attack-in-syria-to-be-blamed-on-assad/5339178
Tom Gardner
2017-04-08 15:31:58 UTC
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On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:32:48 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
What he did was morally, politically, and internationally brilliant.
Simple statement: any air base that launches poison gas attacks will
be leveled. Now THATS a red line.
You should insert a clause indicating what might
happen if the bloke on the receiving end (1) isn't
sane by our standards and/or (2) hasn't got anything
to lose and/or (3) doesn't think they can hit back
in some way.

Kim Jong whatever-the-current-puppet-is-called
falls within (1) and (3).

My worry is that Trump appears to be easily controlled
by those around him who know what info to feed him
to cause them to do what they want (babies in this
case).

Trump has already explicitly stated that he doesn't
listen to people with experience, so his foreign
knowledge is gained on-the-fly from whoever happens
to have his ear at the moment.

That's a recipe for escalation. I hope nobody around
him tries to hasten the rapture.

Tom Del Rosso
2017-04-08 03:06:13 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped
to get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope
it's not a sign of things to come.
It probably isn't the best move, but Obama put us in an extremely bad
position leading from behind. It's harder than usual to find a path out
of that position.
Sylvia Else
2017-04-08 03:45:00 UTC
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
I dare say Kim Jong-un is feeling less secure today.

Sylvia.
John Larkin
2017-04-08 04:37:13 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 13:45:00 +1000, Sylvia Else
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
I dare say Kim Jong-un is feeling less secure today.
Sylvia.
And some Iranians.
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Tom Gardner
2017-04-08 08:14:26 UTC
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not a
sign of things to come.
I dare say Kim Jong-un is feeling less secure today.
The South Koreans would be very happy to get their hands
on his nukes - for more than a few picoseconds, that is.
Cursitor Doom
2017-04-08 08:49:16 UTC
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Post by Sylvia Else
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not
a sign of things to come.
I dare say Kim Jong-un is feeling less secure today.
Oh great. So now we have an insecure nutcase in charge of nukes. Way to
go, Sylv.
b***@ieee.org
2017-04-08 11:04:45 UTC
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Post by Sylvia Else
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WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not
a sign of things to come.
I dare say Kim Jong-un is feeling less secure today.
Oh great. So now we have an insecure nutcase in charge of nukes. Way to
go, Sylv.
Cursitor Doom hasn't noticed that Trump has been in charge of the US nuclear weapons since he was sworn in a president. Trump doesn't admit to feeling insecure, but he did rather over-react to the observation that more people came to Washington to see Obama's inauguration than to see his.
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2017-04-08 13:25:08 UTC
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 08:49:16 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
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Post by Sylvia Else
Post by Cursitor Doom
WTF happened to all the no-foreign-intervention rhetoric that helped to
get him elected?? Talk about a sudden change of approach. Hope it's not
a sign of things to come.
I dare say Kim Jong-un is feeling less secure today.
Oh great. So now we have an insecure nutcase in charge of nukes. Way to
go, Sylv.
And just what has changed?

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-defector-tells-lester-holt-world-should-be-ready-n741901
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