OT: Political manipulation on Google YouTube

Post by John Doe
I tend to look at the big picture. There is a recent trend on
YouTube to inflate the upvote count of certain posts, probably using
a bot.
This will sound political, so correct me if I'm wrong by providing
obvious counter examples, but the upvote count inflation appears to
be for liberal posts only.
Here is the most recent blatantly obvious example...
http://youtu.be/wKSOXFF4TPw
At least three comments under that video have at least 800-1000
upvotes. No doubt in my mind they are illegitimate. And they are all
liberal. I know MSNBC has a majority of foreigner subscribers, but
that does not explain it.
The most disturbing possibility is that the illegitimate vote counts
are coming from Google employees, a known liberal company.

it's called "selection bias" everyone knows MSNBC has a left-bias, most
of the people watching their vids will not be right wing they're all off
watching Fox and Alex Jones.

also Ted Cruz is a total goomba I don't think you have to be
particularly left to dislike the guy. he's not president for a reason
that reason is he sucks a lot more than Trump and has the charisma of a
waterlogged Canadian goose.

He kisses Trump's ass for a living now which might be appealing to Trump
but IMO seems kind of slimy and gutless to any man born with a set of
testicles.

John Doe

2018-09-16 03:29:47 UTC

The poster's bias is obvious.

My judgment comes from knowing about the voting system on YouTube.
The discrepancy I am pointing out is not "selection bias". A few
vote counts are MASSIVELY overblown. It is a recent trend. The
poster needs to learn something about the subject, first.

I asked for counterexamples... That is the poster's opportunity to
debunk my post. But it knows nothing about the subject, therefore it
cannot. All it can do is spew simplistic generalities.

Post by bitrex

it's called "selection bias" everyone knows MSNBC has a left-bias, most
of the people watching their vids will not be right wing they're all off
watching Fox and Alex Jones.
also Ted Cruz is a total goomba I don't think you have to be
particularly left to dislike the guy. he's not president for a reason
that reason is he sucks a lot more than Trump and has the charisma of a
waterlogged Canadian goose.
He kisses Trump's ass for a living now which might be appealing to Trump
but IMO seems kind of slimy and gutless to any man born with a set of
testicles.

bitrex

2018-09-16 03:51:13 UTC

Post by John Doe
The poster's bias is obvious.
My judgment comes from knowing about the voting system on YouTube.
The discrepancy I am pointing out is not "selection bias". A few
vote counts are MASSIVELY overblown. It is a recent trend. The
poster needs to learn something about the subject, first.
I asked for counterexamples... That is the poster's opportunity to
debunk my post. But it knows nothing about the subject, therefore it
cannot. All it can do is spew simplistic generalities.

Without actual statistical analysis using real math your guess as to
malfeasance, or not, is as good as mine.

Automated upvote-rigging and "score manipulation" is not undetectable,
there are actually quants who get paid big money to suss stuff like that
out wrt say golf club handicap-cheating among club members where club
membership costs are in the mid five to six figures anually.

at the moment no "debunking" is required though as you're looking for
zebras in what can adequately be explained by horses.

It's the kind of thing that's proved to some confidence thru statistical
analysis not disproved by "counterexample." You say you have intimate
knowledge of the voting system that others don't have and I don't know
it in the fashion that you do which may very well be true. So if anyone
can do it it's you

bitrex

2018-09-16 04:12:03 UTC

Post by John Doe
All it can do is spew simplistic generalities.

"it stoles it from us" lol

Cursitor Doom

2018-09-16 14:29:38 UTC

We had this very same thing on the run-up to the Brexit referendum.
Someone gained control of the Daily Mail's comments ratings and went mad
up-voting all the anti-Brexit comments. It was so obvious there was
gerrymandering going on by the sheer size of the upvote numbers,
especially since the vast majority of Mail readers were and remain
heavily pro-Brexit!

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b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 04:47:24 UTC

What Cursitor Doom means is that anti-Brexit minority of Mail readers were particularly active.

He's not got a shred of evidence that they were cheating (any more than John Doe has about the results that he doesn't like) but is equally resentful of the fact that some people have the temerity not to share his demented point of view.

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John Doe

2018-09-17 06:53:14 UTC

The village idiot...
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What Cursitor Doom means is that anti-Brexit minority of Mail readers were particularly active.
He's not got a shred of evidence that they were cheating (any more than John Doe has about the results that he doesn't like) but is equally resentful of the fact that some people have the temerity not to share his demented point of view.
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b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 07:16:36 UTC

What Cursitor Doom means is that anti-Brexit minority of Mail readers were particularly active.
He's not got a shred of evidence that they were cheating (any more than John Doe has about the results that he doesn't like) but is equally resentful of the fact that some people have the temerity not to share his demented point of view.

The village idiot...

John Doe, who can't even learn to bottom post, thinks he can pass on his status as the village idiot. Pity about that. It's a designation he has earned, rather than an award he can hand on.

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Tim Williams

2018-09-16 06:59:00 UTC

Counter-counterpoint:

So, what, you can't imagine that any community, let alone one as big as
YouTube, might itself have a "liberal" bias?

Lord forbid you should ever step into a huge community like Reddit...

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John Doe

2018-09-16 07:55:14 UTC

I am not talking about the community, I am talking about cheating,
possibly committed by Google employees. Most of us who use the
comment sections would not consider Google employees to be part of
the community. The cheating is not an Earth shattering offense, it
is equivalent to pollsters intentionally misstating the chance of a
candidate winning. Just something to take note of.

Our mega social media companies should avoid discriminating against
viewpoint.

I have been on USENET for decades. I can handle anything on the
Internet. I'm not just complaining, I am spreading the word. Does
not matter how oppressive the cannibal left becomes, we will
persevere. And in the end, through no fault of our own really, we
will win.
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So, what, you can't imagine that any community, let alone one as big as
YouTube, might itself have a "liberal" bias?
Lord forbid you should ever step into a huge community like Reddit...
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Tim Williams

2018-09-16 12:58:43 UTC

Post by John Doe
I am not talking about the community, I am talking about cheating,
possibly committed by Google employees.

Alright. Present your evidence that it happened. Show the bot code, or
footage of the employees pressing the thumbs-up buttons.

If the only evidence you have is that there's a high ranked comment on a
video, surely even you must agree that's rather tenuous coincidence at best?

Post by John Doe
Most of us who use the
comment sections would not consider Google employees to be part of
the community.

Ha, I bet you think government is independent from the marketplace, too!...

Post by John Doe
The cheating is not an Earth shattering offense, it
is equivalent to pollsters intentionally misstating the chance of a
candidate winning. Just something to take note of.

Depends, who paid to conduct the poll? :-)

Post by John Doe
Our mega social media companies should avoid discriminating against
viewpoint.

In fact they go to great lengths to do so. They could be considerably more
arbitrary in their actions, and still fall well within community
expectations (i.e., not lose significant views).

But, for some reason, advertisers don't like to show their promotions over
unpleasant, controversial or violent content.

Don't like it? Talk to the advertisers.

Tim

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John Doe

2018-09-16 14:34:02 UTC

I already presented convincing evidence, to anyone who is familiar
with the subject. This poster is not familiar with the subject. The
suggestion I presented only "a high ranked comment" is an obvious
troll...
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Post by John Doe
I am not talking about the community, I am talking about cheating,
possibly committed by Google employees.

Alright. Present your evidence that it happened. Show the bot code, or
footage of the employees pressing the thumbs-up buttons.
If the only evidence you have is that there's a high ranked comment on a
video, surely even you must agree that's rather tenuous coincidence at best?

Post by John Doe
Most of us who use the
comment sections would not consider Google employees to be part of
the community.

Ha, I bet you think government is independent from the marketplace, too!...

Post by John Doe
The cheating is not an Earth shattering offense, it
is equivalent to pollsters intentionally misstating the chance of a
candidate winning. Just something to take note of.

Depends, who paid to conduct the poll? :-)

Post by John Doe
Our mega social media companies should avoid discriminating against
viewpoint.

In fact they go to great lengths to do so. They could be considerably more
arbitrary in their actions, and still fall well within community
expectations (i.e., not lose significant views).
But, for some reason, advertisers don't like to show their promotions over
unpleasant, controversial or violent content.
Don't like it? Talk to the advertisers.
Tim
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b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 04:56:39 UTC

Post by John Doe
I already presented convincing evidence, to anyone who is familiar
with the subject.

Evidence convincing to John Doe, which is to say, in line with his irrational prejudices.

Post by John Doe
This poster is not familiar with the subject.

They are sane, and couldn't care less about it.

Post by John Doe
The suggestion I presented only "a high ranked comment" is an obvious
troll...

Says the obvious troll. Get back under your bridge - you outed yourself long ago.

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bitrex

2018-09-16 15:27:13 UTC

Post by John Doe
I am not talking about the community, I am talking about cheating,
possibly committed by Google employees.

Alright. Present your evidence that it happened. Show the bot code, or
footage of the employees pressing the thumbs-up buttons.
If the only evidence you have is that there's a high ranked comment on a
video, surely even you must agree that's rather tenuous coincidence at best?

OP Fox Mulder just pissed nobody else saw the UFO. Pix or it didn't
happen, bitch...

Post by John Doe
Most of us who use the
comment sections would not consider Google employees to be part of
the community.

Ha, I bet you think government is independent from the marketplace, too!...

Post by John Doe
The cheating is not an Earth shattering offense, it
is equivalent to pollsters intentionally misstating the chance of a
candidate winning. Just something to take note of.

Depends, who paid to conduct the poll? :-)

Post by John Doe
Our mega social media companies should avoid discriminating against
viewpoint.

In fact they go to great lengths to do so. They could be considerably
more arbitrary in their actions, and still fall well within community
expectations (i.e., not lose significant views).
But, for some reason, advertisers don't like to show their promotions
over unpleasant, controversial or violent content.
Don't like it? Talk to the advertisers.
Tim

t***@gmail.com

2018-09-16 13:15:22 UTC

Post by John Doe
Our mega social media companies should avoid discriminating against
viewpoint.

none of them do that.

NT

John Doe

2018-09-16 14:24:40 UTC

Right... And Peter Strzok didn't mean "media leak strategy" when he said
"media leak strategy".

And "Up" means "Down".
And the cow jumped over the moon.
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Post by John Doe
Our mega social media companies should avoid discriminating against
viewpoint.

none of them do that.
NT

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2018-09-16 19:45:28 UTC

Post by t***@gmail.com

Post by John Doe
Our mega social media companies should avoid discriminating against
viewpoint.

none of them do that.

Right... And Peter Strzok didn't mean "media leak strategy" when he said
"media leak strategy".
And "Up" means "Down".
And the cow jumped over the moon.

time for your pills lad.

Cursitor Doom

2018-09-16 14:32:22 UTC

Post by John Doe
I have been on USENET for decades. I can handle anything on the
Internet. I'm not just complaining, I am spreading the word. Does not
matter how oppressive the cannibal left becomes, we will persevere. And
in the end, through no fault of our own really, we will win.

Our experience with Brexit proves that these attempts to manipulate
public opinion in this way simply don't work, so you really don't need to
worry about it.

John Doe

2018-09-16 14:47:10 UTC

Post by John Doe
I have been on USENET for decades. I can handle anything on the
Internet. I'm not just complaining, I am spreading the word. Does
not matter how oppressive the cannibal left becomes, we will
persevere. And in the end, through no fault of our own really, we
will win.

Our experience with Brexit proves that these attempts to
manipulate public opinion in this way simply don't work, so you
really don't need to worry about it.

Yep, no big deal. It's like pollsters intentionally misrepresenting
their data. They can say what they want but we will elect who we
want anyway.

Cursitor Doom

2018-09-16 15:16:57 UTC

Post by John Doe
Yep, no big deal. It's like pollsters intentionally misrepresenting
their data. They can say what they want but we will elect who we want
anyway.

They're just trying to appeal to the herd instinct, which is
(regrettably) a true phenomenon in mammals (except cats, of course :-))
but fiddling with comment ratings is simply too far removed; too abstract
to influence anyone in sufficient numbers to change their voting
intentions.

boB

2018-09-17 00:50:01 UTC

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:16:57 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom

Post by John Doe
Yep, no big deal. It's like pollsters intentionally misrepresenting
their data. They can say what they want but we will elect who we want
anyway.

Thumbs Up (or down?) can be bought on Youtube evidently.

So it doesn't have to be Youtube themselves doing it.

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 04:53:31 UTC

Our experience with Brexit proves that these attempts to manipulate
public opinion in this way simply don't work, so you really don't need to
worry about it.

What Brexit proved was that right-wing lies are a lot more influential with gullible right-wing voters (like Cursitor Doom) than they would be if critical thinking (elementary lie detection) were taught in school.

The less critical elements of public opinion proved to be fatally vulnerable to downright lies (which Cursitor Doom doesn't notice, because he finds it comforting to believe that kind of lie).

https://www.independent.co.uk/infact/brexit-second-referendum-false-claims-eu-referendum-campaign-lies-fake-news-a8113381.html

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Chris

2018-09-17 08:38:47 UTC

Post by b***@ieee.org
What Brexit proved was that right-wing lies are a lot more influential
with gullible right-wing voters (like Cursitor Doom) than they would be
if critical thinking (elementary lie detection) were taught in school.

They won't be teaching critical thinking skills in schools - ever. They
know that sooner or later the kids would apply those skills in
questioning the Left-wing dogma that's constantly forced down their
throats. So massive own-goal LOL! }:-}

bitrex

2018-09-18 15:40:45 UTC

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Hi John! er I mean hi Chris! hi Steve! hi Larry!

b***@gmail.com

2018-09-16 09:54:29 UTC

Some godammed garbage does something this:

John Doe

2018-09-16 10:15:03 UTC

Post by b***@gmail.com

http://youtu.be/IrGsDKY5d28

That appears to be a simple script that uses your accounts or
subaccounts in succession. I do not know how many subaccounts are
allowed on YouTube accounts, but I doubt it's hundreds.

b***@gmail.com

2018-09-16 20:45:07 UTC

Post by b***@gmail.com

http://youtu.be/IrGsDKY5d28

That appears to be a simple script that uses your accounts or
subaccounts in succession. I do not know how many subaccounts are
allowed on YouTube accounts, but I doubt it's hundreds.

If you generate enough business for them, it could be as many as 85,000. Everyone gets 80 to start, and even a modicum of income generation garners a user a few thousand more.

John Robertson

2018-09-16 22:22:03 UTC

Ted Cruz got 46,700 views and 838 likes or 56:1 - in other words Mr.
Cruz did better with fewer viewers - is the right media inflating his
youtube postings?

I think you see what you want to see, but aren't doing the math - are
you sure you are an engineer?

John

bitrex

2018-09-16 22:31:51 UTC

You may be over-inflating this - look at how many people have watched
the interview (and thanks for giving the link) 320,900 people have
watched and they all have keyboards and can click "Like" for comments
that they agreed with. And note how many replies there are to these high
liked posters.
Your link had 320,900 views and 3.8k likes or 84:1
http://youtu.be/ysy2xLQeHtk
Ted Cruz got 46,700 views and 838 likes or 56:1 - in other words Mr.
Cruz did better with fewer viewers - is the right media inflating his
youtube postings?
I think you see what you want to see, but aren't doing the math - are
you sure you are an engineer?
John

there are a thousand more nefarious ways a company with the resources of
YouTube/Google could manipulate an election he thinks they're using a
bot to upvote comments he doesn't like on YT. yeah. that's the clumsy
scheme they went with.

John Doe

2018-09-17 07:04:30 UTC

FWIW... This poster is lying about what I have said... I said it
MIGHT be a Google employee(s). If it is, it's more likely a
mischievous Google employee(s) instead of a calculated effort by
Google management.

Like "Cursitor Doom" said and I agree with, it's just annoying. If
it made any difference, all of the bullshit propaganda before (and
after) the election of Donald Trump as president of our United
States would have made a difference. But it didn't. It's like
"sticks and stones". Say what you will, but we will elect whoever we
want.

I am just pointing out not-quite-grown-up cannibal left antics.
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b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 07:23:59 UTC

FWIW... This poster is lying about what I have said... I said it
MIGHT be a Google employee(s). If it is, it's more likely a
mischievous Google employee(s) instead of a calculated effort by
Google management.
Like "Cursitor Doom" said and I agree with, it's just annoying. If
it made any difference, all of the bullshit propaganda before (and
after) the election of Donald Trump as president of our United
States would have made a difference. But it didn't. It's like
"sticks and stones". Say what you will, but we will elect whoever we
want.

In fact you ended up electing the guy the Russians wanted to win, by a very narrow margin - some 77,000 votes in three border-line states.

The Russians are known to have paid for some 3,500 Facebook ads, and posted some tens of thousand of troll posts, so the gullible bit of the US electorate has an excuse for their horrible error of judgement - the Russians had persuaded them that it was the right thing to do.

You've got to be as dumb as John Doe or Cursitor Doom to like the result.

Post by John Doe
I am just pointing out not-quite-grown-up cannibal left antics.

John Doe can't even learn to bottom post and he wants us to take his silly ideas seriously? Something ate his brain years ago.

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bitrex

2018-09-18 01:35:11 UTC

Post by John Doe
FWIW... This poster is lying about what I have said... I said it
MIGHT be a Google employee(s). If it is, it's more likely a
mischievous Google employee(s) instead of a calculated effort by
Google management.
Like "Cursitor Doom" said and I agree with, it's just annoying. If
it made any difference, all of the bullshit propaganda before (and
after) the election of Donald Trump as president of our United
States would have made a difference. But it didn't. It's like
"sticks and stones". Say what you will, but we will elect whoever we
want.
I am just pointing out not-quite-grown-up cannibal left antics.

Maybe someday you'll be faced with real problems in life and you'll have
to also, Peter Pan.

John Doe

2018-09-17 06:52:09 UTC

Post by John Doe
I tend to look at the big picture. There is a recent trend on
YouTube to inflate the upvote count of certain posts, probably
using a bot.
This will sound political, so correct me if I'm wrong by
providing obvious counter examples, but the upvote count
inflation appears to be for liberal posts only.
Here is the most recent blatantly obvious example...
http://youtu.be/wKSOXFF4TPw
At least three comments under that video have at least 800-1000
upvotes. No doubt in my mind they are illegitimate. And they are
all liberal. I know MSNBC has a majority of foreigner
subscribers, but that does not explain it.
The most disturbing possibility is that the illegitimate vote
counts are coming from Google employees, a known liberal company.

You may be over-inflating this -

I am not. I am very familiar with the YouTube comment system.

Post by John Robertson
look at how many people have watched the interview (and thanks for
giving the link) 320,900 people have watched and they all have
keyboards and can click "Like" for comments that they agreed with.
And note how many replies there are to these high liked posters.

You do not understand the system... Cheating to put a comment on top
necessarily means there will be more replies. Top comments are the
first comment a user sees. Therefore, they garner more comments.

There are other factors besides upvotes that determine which
comments are on top, but upvotes are a main factor.

Post by John Robertson
Your link had 320,900 views and 3.8k likes or 84:1

That is a different subject. This thread is about upvotes to
COMMENTS.

Post by John Robertson
http://youtu.be/ysy2xLQeHtk
Ted Cruz got 46,700 views and 838 likes or 56:1 - in other words
Mr. Cruz did better with fewer viewers - is the right media
inflating his youtube postings?

But seriously! That is not a Ted Cruz sympathetic video! It is a
video mocking Ted Cruz uploaded by a Ronald Reagan hater. You cannot
even get support for your argument right.

Post by John Robertson
I think you see what you want to see, but aren't doing the math -
are you sure you are an engineer?

I don't expect engineers to know everything. Anyone familiar with
life should realize its unfathomable complexities (and that's just
the easy part). That is why you need to know about this particular
subject before commenting. Otherwise you look silly.

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 07:13:44 UTC

<snip>

Post by John Doe
I don't expect engineers to know everything.

An expert has been defined as somebody who is aware of the limitations of their expertise.

Post by John Doe
Anyone familiar with life should realize its unfathomable complexities (and
that's just the easy part).

You can always tell a fraud by their enthusiasm for mystification.

Post by John Doe
That is why you need to know about this particular
subject before commenting. Otherwise you look silly.

John Doe looks remarkably silly, even by the daffy standard set by the rest of our righ-wing half-wits.

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John Doe

2018-09-17 07:23:33 UTC

I have high respect for cannibal leftists, even foreigners like the
Village Idiot, who display their superior intellect. Like by winning
our presidential election by winning the popular vote... Good job!

I remember in public grade school LONG AGO being told you can win
the popular vote and lose the election. But the "smarter than you"
cannibal left just doesn't get it.
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Post by John Doe
I don't expect engineers to know everything.

An expert has been defined as somebody who is aware of the limitations of their expertise.

Post by John Doe
Anyone familiar with life should realize its unfathomable complexities (and
that's just the easy part).

You can always tell a fraud by their enthusiasm for mystification.

Post by John Doe
That is why you need to know about this particular
subject before commenting. Otherwise you look silly.

John Doe looks remarkably silly, even by the daffy standard set by the rest of our righ-wing half-wits.
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b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 07:36:37 UTC

Post by John Doe
I don't expect engineers to know everything.

An expert has been defined as somebody who is aware of the limitations of their expertise.

Post by John Doe
Anyone familiar with life should realize its unfathomable complexities (and
that's just the easy part).

You can always tell a fraud by their enthusiasm for mystification.

Post by John Doe
That is why you need to know about this particular
subject before commenting. Otherwise you look silly.

John Doe looks remarkably silly, even by the daffy standard set by the rest of our righ-wing half-wits.

I have high respect for cannibal leftists, even foreigners like the
Village Idiot, who display their superior intellect.

I wonder why John Doe thinks he's managed to lose his Village Idiot award?
It's not the kind of award you can give away, particularly when you empahasise how richly you deserve it by persisting in top posting.

Post by John Doe
Like by winning
our presidential election by winning the popular vote... Good job!

Sadly, Hillary Clinton didn't win the US election by winning the popular vote by a margin of three million votes. She should have put more effort into the three states which actually carried the electoral college, where Trump won with a collective margin of 77,000 votes (probably all Russian influenced).

Post by John Doe
I remember in public grade school LONG AGO being told you can win
the popular vote and lose the election. But the "smarter than you"
cannibal left just doesn't get it.

They'd got it after Jeb Bush stole the 2000 election for his brother by fiddling the electoral rolls in Florida - and this was merely the most recent example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elections_in_which_the_winner_lost_the_popular_vote

George W. Bush did go on to illustrate that the population has better judgement than the electoral college, and Donald Trump seems set on driving the lesson home.

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d***@krl.org

2018-09-18 00:01:55 UTC

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:36:41 AM UTC-4, ***@ieee.org wrote:
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Post by b***@ieee.org
Sadly, Hillary Clinton didn't win the US election by winning the popular vote by a margin of three million votes. She should have put more effort into the three states which actually carried the electoral college, where Trump won with a collective margin of 77,000 votes (probably all Russian influenced).

Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

Dan, Earth

Post by b***@ieee.org
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John Doe

2018-09-18 00:28:43 UTC

Post by d***@krl.org
Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

We dodged a bullet.

Trump is making some corrections we should have made years ago. Anyone
with their head not buried deeply in their own partisanship can see
Washington is full of faults. We have the best system in the world, but
it's not perfect, obviously.

Democrats have been slaughtered in state and local elections for the
last 10 years. They are at their lowest office-holding level in 100
years. The electoral college did some great work by providing a little
uniformity, making them nearly extinct federally too.

I couldn't care less about politics. Trump is not our Savior. But it's
really amazing to see Democrats supporting corrupt FBI agents. Besides
promoting open borders, that's another reason they will lose the
midterms.

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-18 02:31:31 UTC

Post by d***@krl.org
Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

We dodged a bullet.

Putin dodged a bullet.

Post by John Doe
Trump is making some corrections we should have made years ago.

Cutting US company taxes? He's been remarkably ineffective everywhere else.

Post by John Doe
Anyone with their head not buried deeply in their own partisanship can see
Washington is full of faults.

The US lobbying industry is remarkably large and remarkably effective. Trump hasn't done a thing to clean it out - which makes sense since he's exactly the kind of guy who would exploit it, if any business he owned was stable enough to benefit from a legislated tax loop-hole.

Post by John Doe
We have the best system in the world, but it's not perfect, obviously.

The US system stopped being "the best in the world" at the point where the northern European countries adopted proportional representation and coalition governments, about a century ago.

John Doe, being an American exceptionalist (as well as a half-wit) hasn't noticed.

Post by John Doe
Democrats have been slaughtered in state and local elections for the
last 10 years.

The Republicans engineered the sub-prime mortgage crisis in 2008 (or at least failed to deflate the US house price bubble before it burst). This lead directly to the great recession, which made the electorate unhappy with the politicians in charge, who were Democrats, even if they did a good job of avoiding a full-blown depression.

Trump is incompetent enough to wipe out any residual advantage that the Republicans might have retained.

Post by John Doe
They are at their lowest office-holding level in 100
years. The electoral college did some great work by providing a little
uniformity, making them nearly extinct federally too.

"Extinct" means no surviving examples. The Republican Party - as was - is now extinct, with the death of John McCain. It morphed into the Tea Party, which couldn't find a candidate more attractive than Trump, and has now morphed again into the Donald Trump Appreciation Society which isn't so much unprincipled as unaware that such things as consistent principles could exist.

Post by John Doe
I couldn't care less about politics.

So long as it is only far-right politics.

Post by John Doe
Trump is not our Savior.

He's doing his best to be the anti-Christ but he lacks the attention span and the detailed knowledge to be an effective agent of destruction.

Post by John Doe
But it's really amazing to see Democrats supporting corrupt FBI agents.

John Doe probably thinks he is referring to the Peter Strzok case

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Strzok

Strzok didn't like Trump, but that didn't make him corrupt - granting Trump's enthusiasm for bribing people, it probably immunised him against the likeliest source of corruption.

Post by John Doe
Besides promoting open borders, that's another reason they will lose the
midterms.

John Doe hopes the Democrats will lose the mid-terms. Nat Silver rates them as six times more likely than the Republicans to emerge with a majority in the House.

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David Brown

2018-09-18 06:58:46 UTC

Post by d***@krl.org
Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

We dodged a bullet.

You dodged a bullet by catching a grenade.

Hillary may have been hated by half the Americans, just like Trump, but
at least she would not have been alternately laughed at and feared by
America's allies around the world.

Would she have made a less bad president than Trump? Who knows - it's
impossible to tell. (And if you think you can tell, you are delusional.)

What /is/ possible to tell is that your main problem lies in a system
that left people choosing between two unsuitable candidates that split
your population down the middle.

John Doe

2018-09-18 17:17:23 UTC

Right... And what Third World shithole is this America basher from?
Let's talk about its failings...
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Post by d***@krl.org
Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

We dodged a bullet.

You dodged a bullet by catching a grenade.
Hillary may have been hated by half the Americans, just like Trump, but
at least she would not have been alternately laughed at and feared by
America's allies around the world.
Would she have made a less bad president than Trump? Who knows - it's
impossible to tell. (And if you think you can tell, you are delusional.)
What /is/ possible to tell is that your main problem lies in a system
that left people choosing between two unsuitable candidates that split
your population down the middle.

bitrex

2018-09-20 21:30:08 UTC

Post by David Brown

Post by d***@krl.org
Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

We dodged a bullet.

You dodged a bullet by catching a grenade.
Hillary may have been hated by half the Americans, just like Trump, but
at least she would not have been alternately laughed at and feared by
America's allies around the world.
Would she have made a less bad president than Trump? Who knows - it's
impossible to tell. (And if you think you can tell, you are delusional.)
What /is/ possible to tell is that your main problem lies in a system
that left people choosing between two unsuitable candidates that split
your population down the middle.

I hope Republicans never go away scamming wingnuts out of their money
probably makes up 40% of US GDP. it's easy. First you just be white.
Then you just say you hate the same people they do. And then they give
you the money. Easy...

bitrex

2018-09-21 22:24:11 UTC

Post by John Doe
I couldn't care less about politics.

Then stop posting about it, goddamn.

D***@decadence.org

2018-09-22 04:40:46 UTC

Post by bitrex

Post by John Doe
I couldn't care less about politics.

Then stop posting about it, goddamn.

+1!

John Doe

2018-09-22 05:46:29 UTC

This was my first post ever to this group that was (political)
off-topic. And it was not really intended to be political.

Perhaps drunk, speaking just like a cannibal leftist, the troll says
"I don't like what you say, so shut up!"
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Post by John Doe
I couldn't care less about politics.

Then stop posting about it, goddamn.

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-22 06:57:01 UTC

Post by John Doe
I couldn't care less about politics.

Then stop posting about it, goddamn.

This was my first post ever to this group that was (political)
off-topic. And it was not really intended to be political.

John Doe's grasp of what might be "political" isn't entirely sound.

Post by John Doe
Perhaps drunk, speaking just like a cannibal leftist, the troll says
"I don't like what you say, so shut up!"

Nobody much likes what you have to say, and we would all be grateful if you would shut up, but the problem isn't your politics, it's your total incapacity to do joined up reasoning.

You opened this thread with sentence "I tend to look at the big picture" which was a misleading claim. In reality you suffer from tunnel vision, and concentrate on issues that are only of interest to rabid right-wingers, of the kind that can't even notice that Donald Trump is an inept ignoramus.

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D***@decadence.org

2018-09-22 11:19:26 UTC

Post by John Doe
This was my first post ever to this group that was (political)
off-topic. And it was not really intended to be political.
Perhaps drunk, speaking just like a cannibal leftist, the troll says
"I don't like what you say, so shut up!"

I do not like what you say in this ELECTRONICS group, regardless of your
political affiliation or your retarded trumpesque opinion of others.

So, yeah, motherfucker... shut the fuck up... here... unless and
until you have something intelligent to say and politics or political
opinions ain't it, boy.

But knowing how you adolescent minded, adult aged mental midgets act,
that will never happen.

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-18 02:07:06 UTC

Post by d***@krl.org
!

Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

The god Dan seems to be thanking would have horns and a tail.

Putin would seem to be the more deserving recipient of Dan's thanks, but he doesn't need them. Putin invested quite a bit in getting a win for the candidate he liked - which wasn't the one who knew quite a bit about managing America's foreign policy, and thwarting Russia's plans to get a naval base on the Mediterranean Sea.

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John Doe

2018-09-18 17:14:13 UTC

The Village Idiot cannot help but stick its nose in our business.
Must be very boring in Australia.
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Post by b***@ieee.org
Sadly, Hillary Clinton didn't win the US election by winning the popula

r vote by a margin of three million votes. She should have put more effort into the three states which actually carried the electoral college, where Trump won with a collective margin of 77,000 votes (probably all Russian influenced).

Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

The god Dan seems to be thanking would have horns and a tail.
Putin would seem to be the more deserving recipient of Dan's thanks, but he doesn't need them. Putin invested quite a bit in getting a win for the candidate he liked - which wasn't the one who knew quite a bit about managing America's foreign policy, and thwarting Russia's plans to get a naval base on the Mediterranean Sea.
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b***@ieee.org

2018-09-19 04:35:20 UTC

Post by John Doe
The Village Idiot cannot help but stick its nose in our business.
Must be very boring in Australia.

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:36:41 AM UTC-4, bill.... ieee.org wrot
!

Post by b***@ieee.org
Sadly, Hillary Clinton didn't win the US election by winning the popula

Trump has many faults, but thank god he beat Hillary.

The god Dan seems to be thanking would have horns and a tail.
Putin would seem to be the more deserving recipient of Dan's thanks, but he doesn't need them. Putin invested quite a bit in getting a win for the candidate he liked - which wasn't the one who knew quite a bit about managing America's foreign policy, and thwarting Russia's plans to get a naval base on the Mediterranean Sea.

The Village Idiot cannot help but stick its nose in our business.

John Doe seems to be suffering from an identity cris. He wants us to think that he is a "hard-core scientist" rather than our village idiot, and desperately wants to pass on his well-earned award to somebody else.

Post by John Doe
Must be very boring in Australia.

Compared to the US, Australia is pretty boring. The Chinese have a curse "may you live interesting times" and Donald Trump - and the rest of his clown car - are doing their inept best to make the USA a much more interesting place to live than Australia. We are having a drought, which is a pretty tedious form of natural disaster, while you are having Hurricane Florence which is killing fascinatingly large numbers of people - 32 now, and rising with the flood waters.

Donald Trump's response "“one of the wettest we’ve ever seen from the standpoint of water” is impressive, in quite the wrong way. And the attacks on the CNN coverage

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/18/17873852/anderson-cooper-donald-trump-jr-hurricane-florence

does suggest the Trump team is more interested in the way the news coverage reflects on them rather than in fate of the people who needed rescue.

Dubbya never really recovered from his inept response to Katrina. Trump has even less to lose, notoriously inept as he is.

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j***@gmail.com

2018-09-18 06:47:24 UTC

"John Doe can't even learn to bottom post and he wants us to take his silly ideas seriously? Something ate his brain years ago. "

Slowboy doesn't realize that Faceass members are less than 1 % of the population.

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-18 14:02:30 UTC

"John Doe can't even learn to bottom post and he wants us to take his silly ideas seriously? Something ate his brain years ago. "

Sloman doesn't realize that Faceass members are less than 1 % of the population.

I'd have to take Facebook more seriously than I do to know even that much.

I know it's out there and making money, but so are party drugs.

The fact that a half-wit like John Doe takes it seriously isn't going to change my attitude.

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John Doe

2018-09-17 07:48:35 UTC

Lots of flailing trolls, but no substantial counterargument.

As I said, the most valid counterargument would be providing an
example of unbelievably inflated liked posts by conservative
viewpoints. But necessity is the mother of invention, and we know
Democrats are desperate. Almost extinct.
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b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 08:25:33 UTC

But conservative nut-cases - like you and Cursitor Doom - expect unbelievably numerous positive responses from conservatives, so you'd never notice.

Your gut-feeling that a particular number is suspect isn't actually evidence - it's just partisan incredulity.

Post by John Doe
But necessity is the mother of invention, and we know
Democrats are desperate. Almost extinct.

Nat Silver doesn't. He gives them a rather better (and improving) chance of getting a majority in Congress at the mid-terms than he gave Hillary Clinton of winning back in 2016, and there's no electoral college to complicate that particular assessment.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

John Doe is deep into wishful thinking.

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John Doe

2018-09-17 08:35:36 UTC

The Village Idiot...
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But conservative nut-cases - like you and Cursitor Doom - expect unbelievably numerous positive responses from conservatives, so you'd never notice.
Your gut-feeling that a particular number is suspect isn't actually evidence - it's just partisan incredulity.

Post by John Doe
But necessity is the mother of invention, and we know
Democrats are desperate. Almost extinct.

Nat Silver doesn't. He gives them a rather better (and improving) chance of getting a majority in Congress at the mid-terms than he gave Hillary Clinton of winning back in 2016, and there's no electoral college to complicate that particular assessment.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/
John Doe is deep into wishful thinking.
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j***@skybeam.com

2018-09-17 08:26:41 UTC

Post by John Doe
Lots of flailing trolls, but no substantial counterargument.
As I said, the most valid counterargument would be providing an
example of unbelievably inflated liked posts by conservative
viewpoints. But necessity is the mother of invention, and we know
Democrats are desperate. Almost extinct.
--

Thanks. I hadn't seen that vid. I just up-voted it.

John Doe

2018-09-17 08:34:42 UTC

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Post by John Doe
I tend to look at the big picture. There is a recent trend on
YouTube to inflate the upvote count of certain posts, probably
using a bot.
This will sound political, so correct me if I'm wrong by
providing obvious counter examples, but the upvote count
inflation appears to be for liberal posts only.
Here is the most recent blatantly obvious example...
http://youtu.be/wKSOXFF4TPw
At least three comments under that video have at least 800-1000
upvotes. No doubt in my mind they are illegitimate. And they
are all liberal. I know MSNBC has a majority of foreigner
subscribers, but that does not explain it.
The most disturbing possibility is that the illegitimate vote
counts are coming from Google employees, a known liberal
company.

Thanks. I hadn't seen that vid. I just up-voted it.

You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate. Stay tuned! Most of its
subscribers are foreigners. That's why they are so wrong about our
country, they are ignorant and could not care less.

Tim Williams

2018-09-17 09:06:47 UTC

Post by John Doe
You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate.

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say, drug gangs,
to be anything but bashing them?

Tim

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John Doe

2018-09-17 09:32:47 UTC

Post by John Doe
You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate.

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Practically all they do is bash our president and our electorate,
all day every weekday. They never post about illegal border crossers
breaking our immigration laws. They are bleeding heart globalists out of
touch with Americans. Just like the average Democrats that have been
losing for the last 10 years. Watch what happens to Democrats in our
midterms. They have no idea or they don't care about American workers.

"Half of my family are illegals using forged IDs"
(California Senate leader Kevin de Leon)

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-17 10:48:32 UTC

Post by John Doe
You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate.

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Practically all they do is bash our president and our electorate,
all day every weekday. They never post about illegal border crossers
breaking our immigration laws.

Why should they? It has been going on for many years. Americans need their crops picked and their hotel rooms cleaned, and they don't like paying what Americans ask to do the work. Donald Trump pretended to get excited about it to suck in the working class vote, but he hasn't delivered his fabulous wall to slow down the influx.

Post by John Doe
They are bleeding heart globalists out of touch with Americans.

They are Americans - just better educated than you.

Post by John Doe
Just like the average Democrats that have been
losing for the last 10 years. Watch what happens to Democrats in our
midterms. They have no idea or they don't care about American workers.

Nate Silver is expecting them to cream the Republicans.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

Post by John Doe
"Half of my family are illegals using forged IDs"
(California Senate leader Kevin de Leon)

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/02/06/senate-leader-half-of-my-family-eligible-for-deportation-under-trump-order/

Not exactly what he said. In reality "illegal immigrants" in the US have been an essential part of the work-force for many years, and the system has worked because everybody has turned a blind eye to the technical irregularities involved.

Now John Doe and Donald Trump have decided to get excited about it. Donald Trump will get less excited as soon as he dreams up another vote-catching gimmick, and John Doe will probably say "me too".

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Tim Williams

2018-09-17 12:02:25 UTC

Post by Tim Williams
Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Practically all they do is bash our president and our electorate,

Non sequitur, I didn't ask about "our president and our electorate", I asked
about a hypothetical example. Please answer the question.

Tim

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John Doe

2018-09-17 23:31:08 UTC

If the poster wants to make sense, it might want to include some
context. This hypocrite posted a non sequitur then complained about
my reply being a non sequitur...
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Post by Tim Williams
Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Practically all they do is bash our president and our electorate,

Non sequitur, I didn't ask about "our president and our electorate", I asked
about a hypothetical example. Please answer the question.
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bitrex

2018-09-18 15:52:39 UTC

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Practically all they do is bash our president and our electorate,

Non sequitur, I didn't ask about "our president and our electorate", I
asked about a hypothetical example. Please answer the question.
Tim

JD is such a stark-raving NPD-case all he cares about in life is that
people say nice things about him and the president who he thinks is his
best friend.

If they don't he falls to pieces and starts suffering from delusions of
reference and starts inspecting YouTube videos for hidden messages like
Jodie Foster watching scrambled TV stations in "Contact." The truth is
out there, bro.

D***@decadence.org

2018-09-17 12:14:41 UTC

Post by John Doe
You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate.

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Practically all they do is bash our president and our electorate,
all day every weekday. They never post about illegal border crossers
breaking our immigration laws. They are bleeding heart globalists out of
touch with Americans. Just like the average Democrats that have been
losing for the last 10 years. Watch what happens to Democrats in our
midterms. They have no idea or they don't care about American workers.
"Half of my family are illegals using forged IDs"
(California Senate leader Kevin de Leon)

Wow. This fucking total retard got fooly hypnotized by the TrumpTard
wool. Pulled it right over his eyes. Not that this dumbfuck had much
grasp on reality to begin with. It is no surprise that the stupid fuck
likes Trump.

Donald J. Trump, the first commander of our nation whom I refuse to
refer to by the proper title. The stupid bastard is shameful and
represents a huge black eye on America for allowing him to continue to
traipse around like the fool he is.

Mr. Buffoon is far more appropriate. This Doe Dumbfuck has dough for
brains, and is an absolute insult to Frank Capra, not to mention all
Americans. The fact is that we did not need Trump to know what is going
on in our country. We are fully aware. We did not need to be fooly
updated by a fool force dipshit followed up by a shitload of fool force
assholes who think they are smarter than the rest of us.

You ain't shit, boy... Oh wait... that is ALL you are, you piece of
unamerican shit!

John Doe

2018-09-17 23:54:39 UTC

Donald Trump is president of the United States, probably for eight
years. He will nominate a total of 3-5 Supreme Court judges. Does
not matter what the cannibal left, bleeding heart globalists, or
America-hating foreigners think about it. The election is over.

Trump's victory is a clear indication America is tired of open
border Democrats and Republicans. Trump's election proved that. The
media's big lie about Americans loving illegal immigrants has been
exposed. The reason Democrats will be slaughtered in this upcoming
midterm election, or at least fall far short of their hoped-for
gains, is because they just don't get it.

The glaring issue has nothing to do with politics. It's national
security. Americans are rebelling against the careless government
that allowed September 11, 2001 to happen.

Americans who bash our president and our electorate on worldwide
public forums are anything but patriots. Bash our president and our
electorate if you want, but you are in no way being patriotic for
doing so. You are a self-serving partisan.
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Post by John Doe
You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate.

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Post by John Doe
touch with Americans. Just like the average Democrats that have been
losing for the last 10 years. Watch what happens to Democrats in our
midterms. They have no idea or they don't care about American workers.
"Half of my family are illegals using forged IDs"
(California Senate leader Kevin de Leon)

Wow. This fucking total retard got fooly hypnotized by the TrumpTard
wool. Pulled it right over his eyes. Not that this dumbfuck had much
grasp on reality to begin with. It is no surprise that the stupid fuck
likes Trump.
Donald J. Trump, the first commander of our nation whom I refuse to
refer to by the proper title. The stupid bastard is shameful and
represents a huge black eye on America for allowing him to continue to
traipse around like the fool he is.
Mr. Buffoon is far more appropriate. This Doe Dumbfuck has dough for
brains, and is an absolute insult to Frank Capra, not to mention all
Americans. The fact is that we did not need Trump to know what is going
on in our country. We are fully aware. We did not need to be fooly
updated by a fool force dipshit followed up by a shitload of fool force
assholes who think they are smarter than the rest of us.
You ain't shit, boy... Oh wait... that is ALL you are, you piece of
unamerican shit!

bitrex

2018-09-18 01:47:45 UTC

Post by John Doe
Donald Trump is president of the United States, probably for eight
years. He will nominate a total of 3-5 Supreme Court judges. Does
not matter what the cannibal left, bleeding heart globalists, or
America-hating foreigners think about it. The election is over.
Trump's victory is a clear indication America is tired of open
border Democrats and Republicans. Trump's election proved that. The
media's big lie about Americans loving illegal immigrants has been
exposed. The reason Democrats will be slaughtered in this upcoming
midterm election, or at least fall far short of their hoped-for
gains, is because they just don't get it.
The glaring issue has nothing to do with politics. It's national
security. Americans are rebelling against the careless government
that allowed September 11, 2001 to happen.
Americans who bash our president and our electorate on worldwide
public forums are anything but patriots. Bash our president and our
electorate if you want, but you are in no way being patriotic for
doing so. You are a self-serving partisan.

You lick boots pretty good, kiddo. At least hoes like Alex Jones are
making money to do it yet you work for free.

b***@ieee.org

2018-09-18 02:01:02 UTC

Post by John Doe
You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate.

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Wow. This fucking total retard got fooly hypnotized by the TrumpTard
wool. Pulled it right over his eyes. Not that this dumbfuck had much
grasp on reality to begin with. It is no surprise that the stupid fuck
likes Trump.
Donald J. Trump, the first commander of our nation whom I refuse to
refer to by the proper title. The stupid bastard is shameful and
represents a huge black eye on America for allowing him to continue to
traipse around like the fool he is.
Mr. Buffoon is far more appropriate. This Doe Dumbfuck has dough for
brains, and is an absolute insult to Frank Capra, not to mention all
Americans. The fact is that we did not need Trump to know what is going
on in our country. We are fully aware. We did not need to be fooly
updated by a fool force dipshit followed up by a shitload of fool force
assholes who think they are smarter than the rest of us.
You ain't shit, boy... Oh wait... that is ALL you are, you piece of
unamerican shit!

Donald Trump is president of the United States, probably for eight
years.

If he makes four he'll be lucky.

Post by John Doe
He will nominate a total of 3-5 Supreme Court judges.

All with attempted rapes in their back-ground? The pussy-grabber-chief presumably looks for that kind of thinking in his nominees (though he may not be aware of this preference).

Post by John Doe
Does not matter what the cannibal left, bleeding heart globalists, or
America-hating foreigners think about it. The election is over.

But the mid-terms, the Democratic majority in the House and the impeachment are all there to be looked forward to.

Post by John Doe
Trump's victory is a clear indication America is tired of open
border Democrats and Republicans.

Trump extremely narrow victory is one more clear indication that the electoral college was a very silly idea of the founding tax evaders, and should have been
dumped generations ago. The fact that the Russians spent quite a lot of money and effort supporting Trump via Facebook and Twitter in what turned out to be the crucial states doesn't make him look a particularly legitimate winner.

Post by John Doe
Trump's election proved that.

Only to somebody with a right-wing nit-wit idea of "proof".

Post by John Doe
The media's big lie about Americans loving illegal immigrants has been
exposed.

Rich Americans have loved - and under-paid - illegal immigrants for generations now. This depresses wages for poor Americans, who don't like the competition.

Trump is rich and exploits migrant labour in his hotels, but was happy to lie to less well-off Americans about the way he was going to build a wall to slow the flow. Two years into his presidency there's still no wall.

Post by John Doe
The reason Democrats will be slaughtered in this upcoming
midterm election, or at least fall far short of their hoped-for
gains, is because they just don't get it.

Nat Silver is less optimistic about the Republican prospects than John Doe is.
John Doe is a right-wing nit-wit with an enthusiasms for wishful thinking.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/

If John Doe were willing to back his delusions with hard cash, he'd be exploitable. Sadly, anonymous trolls can't make bets.

Post by John Doe
The glaring issue has nothing to do with politics. It's national
security. Americans are rebelling against the careless government
that allowed September 11, 2001 to happen.

That was a Republican administration, who were very cozy with the Saudi regime, and it was Saudi nationals who were responsible for 9/11.

Post by John Doe
Americans who bash our president and our electorate on worldwide
public forums are anything but patriots.

Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. Defending Trump because he is president of America reveals that there's no other reason for defending him - he's the same lying creep that he has been all through his career, using "donations" from his registered charity as sweetners for purchasable politicians.

Post by John Doe
Bash our president and our electorate if you want, but you are in no way being > patriotic for doing so. You are a self-serving partisan.

The self-serving partisan troll wants to associate bashing Trump (who deserves all the bashing he gets) with bashing the electorate (who rejected him 65,853,514 to 62,984,828).

It's the electoral process that deserves bashing.

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John Doe

2018-09-18 18:31:03 UTC

Considering the fact Democrats hold fewer state and local offices
than in 100 years, difficult to believe the idea Trump did not win
the popular vote, at least the popular vote among AMERICANS.
There is a divide between Americans and our federal government.

This foreigner regularly complains about foreign influence on our
country. Ironic but true. The anonymous poster calling you a
"Russian bot" might even be a Russian. Their objective is to divide
us. Irony is there front.
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John Doe <always.look message.header> wrote in news:pnnsbv$egf$1 dont-

Post by John Doe
You don't know what you're missing. Practically every MSNBC video
bashes our president and our electorate.

Curious. Would you expect "fair and balanced" coverage of, say,
drug gangs, to be anything but bashing them?

Wow. This fucking total retard got fooly hypnotized by the TrumpTard
wool. Pulled it right over his eyes. Not that this dumbfuck had much
grasp on reality to begin with. It is no surprise that the stupid fuck
likes Trump.
Donald J. Trump, the first commander of our nation whom I refuse to
refer to by the proper title. The stupid bastard is shameful and
represents a huge black eye on America for allowing him to continue to
traipse around like the fool he is.
Mr. Buffoon is far more appropriate. This Doe Dumbfuck has dough for
brains, and is an absolute insult to Frank Capra, not to mention all
Americans. The fact is that we did not need Trump to know what is goin