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Flyguy
2021-04-17 03:18:14 UTC
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He made this claim (https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-johnsonjohnson-vaccin-idUSL1N2M91QK):

In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.

"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
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J&J scientists from Jansen Pharmaceuticals refuted that with this:

In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."

Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.

The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.

"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.

"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.

The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
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The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
whit3rd
2021-04-17 04:50:06 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
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In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too.
Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).

The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality.
Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.
Rick C
2021-04-17 05:08:21 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too.
Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).
The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality.
Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.
What are you doing? You are treating the Chimpanzee as if he were a Human. How much longer are we going to be guided by a poster who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it? Jeez!
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Flyguy
2021-04-17 15:17:00 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too.
Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).
The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality.
Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.
The "so what" is that Fauci doesn't know WTF he is talking about and, in his position, he has a DUTY to get the facts straight. After all, it isn't hard: a single phone call to J&J would have done it. Billions of people are RELYING on what this fool says.
Bill Sloman
2021-04-17 15:35:25 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too.
Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).
The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality.
Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.
The "so what" is that Fauci doesn't know WTF he is talking about and, in his position, he has a DUTY to get the facts straight.
Flyguy thinks that he does know enough about what Fauci is talking about to be in a position to assert that Fauci has got it wrong.
Flyguy is an idiot who get pretty much everything wrong, and he's certainly wrong here
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After all, it isn't hard: a single phone call to J&J would have done it.
It wouldn't. J&J would have told him nothing useful - their public relations puff doesn't mean what Flyguy seems to think it means.
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Billions of people are RELYING on what this fool says.
Correctly. Fauci isn't actually a fool - even if Flyguy is silly enough to assert this as if he thought it were a fact it were a fact - and anybody who paid any attention to Flyguy's moronic opinion really would be being remarkably foolish.
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Flyguy
2021-04-17 16:04:35 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too.
Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).
The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality.
Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.
The "so what" is that Fauci doesn't know WTF he is talking about and, in his position, he has a DUTY to get the facts straight.
Flyguy thinks that he does know enough about what Fauci is talking about to be in a position to assert that Fauci has got it wrong.
Flyguy is an idiot who get pretty much everything wrong, and he's certainly wrong here
Post by Flyguy
After all, it isn't hard: a single phone call to J&J would have done it.
It wouldn't. J&J would have told him nothing useful - their public relations puff doesn't mean what Flyguy seems to think it means.
Post by Flyguy
Billions of people are RELYING on what this fool says.
Correctly. Fauci isn't actually a fool - even if Flyguy is silly enough to assert this as if he thought it were a fact it were a fact - and anybody who paid any attention to Flyguy's moronic opinion really would be being remarkably foolish.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
WTF SL0WMAN - so do YOU! And I am not expressing MY opinion: this is from an EXTREMELY QUALIFIED scientist, you fool! Do you REALLY think that you know MORE than Macaya Douoguih?
Fred Bloggs
2021-04-17 17:34:08 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too.
Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).
The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality.
Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.
The "so what" is that Fauci doesn't know WTF he is talking about and, in his position, he has a DUTY to get the facts straight.
Flyguy thinks that he does know enough about what Fauci is talking about to be in a position to assert that Fauci has got it wrong.
Flyguy is an idiot who get pretty much everything wrong, and he's certainly wrong here
Post by Flyguy
After all, it isn't hard: a single phone call to J&J would have done it.
It wouldn't. J&J would have told him nothing useful - their public relations puff doesn't mean what Flyguy seems to think it means.
Post by Flyguy
Billions of people are RELYING on what this fool says.
Correctly. Fauci isn't actually a fool - even if Flyguy is silly enough to assert this as if he thought it were a fact it were a fact - and anybody who paid any attention to Flyguy's moronic opinion really would be being remarkably foolish.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
WTF SL0WMAN - so do YOU! And I am not expressing MY opinion: this is from an EXTREMELY QUALIFIED scientist, you fool! Do you REALLY think that you know MORE than Macaya Douoguih?
She works for Janssen and is deflecting liability. She's obviously a shill and doesn't know what she's talking about.
Ed Lee
2021-04-17 18:00:05 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Yeah, so what? Humans are different from chimpanzees, but there's lots of similarities, too.
Like, 96% (?) of our DNA (whatever that means).
The 'very different' and 'very similar' phrases can both easily be consistent with reality.
Neither misunderstanding nor prevarication is indicated here.
The "so what" is that Fauci doesn't know WTF he is talking about and, in his position, he has a DUTY to get the facts straight.
Flyguy thinks that he does know enough about what Fauci is talking about to be in a position to assert that Fauci has got it wrong.
Flyguy is an idiot who get pretty much everything wrong, and he's certainly wrong here
Post by Flyguy
After all, it isn't hard: a single phone call to J&J would have done it.
It wouldn't. J&J would have told him nothing useful - their public relations puff doesn't mean what Flyguy seems to think it means.
Post by Flyguy
Billions of people are RELYING on what this fool says.
Correctly. Fauci isn't actually a fool - even if Flyguy is silly enough to assert this as if he thought it were a fact it were a fact - and anybody who paid any attention to Flyguy's moronic opinion really would be being remarkably foolish.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
WTF SL0WMAN - so do YOU! And I am not expressing MY opinion: this is from an EXTREMELY QUALIFIED scientist, you fool! Do you REALLY think that you know MORE than Macaya Douoguih?
She works for Janssen and is deflecting liability. She's obviously a shill and doesn't know what she's talking about.
There is no liability. They have waivers from most governments. So, the impact is just for future profit. For now, the vaccine makers are all fighting for resources anyway. If they don't make AZ/J&J, they will make more Pfizer/Moderna. That's one of the reasons the US does not allow AZ to export.

Currently, the major resource constraints are medical grade plastic bags, and packaging stuffs.
whit3rd
2021-04-17 17:56:36 UTC
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... I am not expressing MY opinion: this is from an EXTREMELY QUALIFIED scientist, you fool!
Don't be silly. Science is about observation, and the observations here do NOT yet support
any of the conclusions being jumped to.

Fauci's expression of the situation isn't conclusive, nor are the replies, because they are
speculations.

Calling these 'incredibly false' is, as the phrase suggests, not believable. It's an incredible claim.
D***@decadence.org
2021-04-17 19:47:34 UTC
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Flyguy thinks that he does know enough about what Fauci is talking
about to be in a position to assert that Fauci has got it wrong.
Flyguy is an idiot who get pretty much everything wrong, and he's certainly wrong here
+1

Absolutely correct. FlyTurd is the most stupid piece of shit
TrumpTarded dumbfuck in all of Usenet.
Cörvid
2021-04-17 05:23:55 UTC
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The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a
doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies
about it?
Wait for Dr. Stella Gwandiku-Ambe Immanuel, the Voodoo priestess from
Cameroon.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine

Donald Trump - "an important voice"
Donald Trump Jr. - "a must-watch'
D***@decadence.org
2021-04-17 09:22:11 UTC
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Donald Trump - "an important voice"
A totally retarded claim made by a total retard.
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Donald Trump Jr. - "a must-watch'
An absolutely retarded claim made by an absolute total retard.
Bill Sloman
2021-04-17 06:45:43 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
A more relevant question is why an idiot like Flyguy thinks he knows more about medical science than an expert like Fauci.

The Johnson & Johnson quote does emphasise the differences between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it doesn't make any well-founded suggestion that they might be important. It's strictly public relations waffle.
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Flyguy
2021-04-17 15:18:04 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
A more relevant question is why an idiot like Flyguy thinks he knows more about medical science than an expert like Fauci.
The Johnson & Johnson quote does emphasise the differences between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it doesn't make any well-founded suggestion that they might be important. It's strictly public relations waffle.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
Count on SL0WMAN to COMPLETELY dodge the issue and throw bombs! What a FOOL!!
Bill Sloman
2021-04-17 15:47:31 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
It's not any kind of "refutation".
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Flyguy
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
A more relevant question is why an idiot like Flyguy thinks he knows more about medical science than an expert like Fauci.
The Johnson & Johnson quote does emphasise the differences between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it doesn't make any well-founded suggestion that they might be important. It's strictly public relations waffle.
Count on Sloman to COMPLETELY dodge the issue and throw bombs! What a FOOL!!
Flyguy is foolish enough to imagine that he has raised an issue of substance - as opposed to acting the gullible twit once again - and seems to have missed the undeniable fact that he is the fool here. He's much too stupid to ever appreciate this.
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Flyguy
2021-04-17 16:08:33 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
It's not any kind of "refutation".
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Flyguy
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
A more relevant question is why an idiot like Flyguy thinks he knows more about medical science than an expert like Fauci.
The Johnson & Johnson quote does emphasise the differences between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it doesn't make any well-founded suggestion that they might be important. It's strictly public relations waffle.
Count on Sloman to COMPLETELY dodge the issue and throw bombs! What a FOOL!!
Flyguy is foolish enough to imagine that he has raised an issue of substance - as opposed to acting the gullible twit once again - and seems to have missed the undeniable fact that he is the fool here. He's much too stupid to ever appreciate this.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
Hey SL0WMAN, I don't THINK I have raised an "issue of substance" - I KNOW IT! Denying people a perfectly safe and effective vaccine will KILL people, you fool. How much more "substance" do you need, you idiot?
Bill Sloman
2021-04-17 16:53:25 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
It's not any kind of "refutation".
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Flyguy
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
A more relevant question is why an idiot like Flyguy thinks he knows more about medical science than an expert like Fauci.
The Johnson & Johnson quote does emphasise the differences between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it doesn't make any well-founded suggestion that they might be important. It's strictly public relations waffle.
Count on Sloman to COMPLETELY dodge the issue and throw bombs! What a FOOL!!
Flyguy is foolish enough to imagine that he has raised an issue of substance - as opposed to acting the gullible twit once again - and seems to have missed the undeniable fact that he is the fool here. He's much too stupid to ever appreciate this.
Hey SL0WMAN, I don't THINK I have raised an "issue of substance" - I KNOW IT!
What Flyguy thinks he knows would fill a very small book, and pretty much every entry would be wrong.
Post by Flyguy
Denying people a perfectly safe and effective vaccine will KILL people, you fool.
Real vaccines aren't entirely safe and they aren't completely effective. Giving the Johnson & Johnson vaccine and the AstraZenenca vaccine to people under fifty probably will kill perhaps one in a million, and make one in several hundred thousand quite ill. Getting Covid-19 is quite a lot more dangerous.
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How much more "substance" do you need, you idiot?
You need to realise that you weren't raising any issue of substance. You were merely abusing Dr. Anthony Fauci for expressing an opinion that you didn't like, on a subject where you haven't got a clue. Trying to de-value genuinely expert opinion because you don't happen to like it is a rather lethal kind of foolishness - one that Donald Trump went in for quite a lot. You are even more obviously idiotic, and correspondingly even less likely to be taken seriously, but it's still a dangerous idiocy.
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Post by Flyguy
He made this claim (https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-jo
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S.
infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
Post by Flyguy
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is so
mething that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
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In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's
Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Post by Flyguy
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus whi
le the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
Post by Flyguy
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike pro
tein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
Post by Flyguy
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for
Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
Post by Flyguy
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not cle
ar at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
Post by Flyguy
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to sa
y their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
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The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who
doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
A more relevant question is why an idiot like Flyguy thinks he knows more about medical science than an expert like Fauci.
The Johnson & Johnson quote does emphasise the differences between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, but it doesn't make any well-founded suggestion that they might be important. It's strictly public relations waffle.
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Fred Bloggs
2021-04-17 14:17:22 UTC
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It's not a claim. It's a factual summary of the knowledge thus far discovered by multiple investigations into the clotting:

"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
This is also a statement of fact:

"The AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines rely on different adenoviruses, but the appearance of the HIT-like symptoms among recipients of both vaccines — and the apparent lack of a HIT-like response among recipients of a different type of vaccine, based on mRNA — has raised concerns that the problem could be common to vaccines that rely on adenoviruses."
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In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
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The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
"At present, researchers don’t know what component of these vaccines could be causing the unwanted immune response against platelet factor 4. “It could be caused by the vectors, it could be caused by the spike protein, it could be caused by a contaminant present in the vector,” says viral immunologist Hildegund Ertl at the Wistar Institute in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania."

My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.

You can try reading this summary of the situation:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
Bill Sloman
2021-04-17 14:32:17 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
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Fred Bloggs
2021-04-17 14:43:11 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
Dimwit Sloman again not picking up on the obvious that mistakes happen in nature, and, the more complex the process, the greater likelihood for it. The entire DNA-mRNA-ribosome- spike protein assembly is a complex process. And seeing as how a typical vaccine induces on the order of 10^15 of these processes, the more likely for mistakes to occur even though the chance of a single incident are extraordinarily small.
Same kind of mistake that brought Sloman into existence...
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2021-04-17 14:51:12 UTC
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On Thu, 8 Apr 2021 23:07:28 -0000 (UTC), John Doe
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J&J is easier to store and administrate. Regarding serious problem like blood clot, J&J (same technology as AZ) is still too early to tell."
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Post by Fred Bloggs
"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Another educated guess is that the DNA was prematurely released from the lipid/carrier before reaching the target cell.
DNA is more stable than RNA, and more problematic.
Post by Bill Sloman
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
The lipid/carrier does not have spikes. It is not in the final form designed to be targeted.
Bill Sloman
2021-04-17 15:25:59 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
Dimwit Sloman again not picking up on the obvious that mistakes happen in nature, and, the more complex the process, the greater likelihood for it.
There's nothing natural about an adenovirus that has been tweaked to produce the Covid019 spike protein, and prevented from reproducing itself. It couldn't be less natural.
Post by Fred Bloggs
The entire DNA-mRNA-ribosome- spike protein assembly is a complex process.
And highly unnatural. Electronics is frequently complex too, but those complex processes are engineered not to go wrong.
Post by Fred Bloggs
And seeing as how a typical vaccine induces on the order of 10^15 of these processes, the more likely for mistakes to occur even though the chance of a single incident are extraordinarily small.
Fred does go in for fatuous arguments, but that one is more moronic than most.

Same kind of mistake that brought Sloman into existence...

That did involve going from a single cell to human body with 86 billion (0.86x10^11) brain cells, most of which still seem to work.

Fred does seem to have rather fewer of them that still work.
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Martin Brown
2021-04-19 08:42:26 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
It does also replicate some more adenovirus since that it what it would
originally doing in its normal life cycle.

Not harmful to humans though or so we thought.

If anything the mRNA formulations were expected to be higher risk as a
new technology not really tested in large scale applications (and with a
certain fragility that requires extreme cold chain measures).
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
It seems much more likely that there is some other protein common to
adenoviruses that a few people react against badly and that is close
enough to PF4 to get a false match antibody. That or there are a few
people about whose PF4 looks similar to a piece of an adenovirus.

It could even be one of the adjuvants used in the live virus vaccines
that is causing the trouble rather than the active component.

On the face of it Fauci is merely summing up what is presently known
about the syndrome which is that it only occurs in vaccines that use
adenovirus vectors and doesn't appear to happen in any of the mRNA
vaccines. It will be interesting to see if Sputnik is similarly affected
(when the EU countries scared of AZ and J&J get around to using it).
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Ed Lee
2021-04-19 11:54:01 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
It does also replicate some more adenovirus since that it what it would
originally doing in its normal life cycle.
Not harmful to humans though or so we thought.
That's what they said about SARS-Cov2 early on. What can the harmless coronavirus do to human?
Post by Martin Brown
If anything the mRNA formulations were expected to be higher risk as a
new technology not really tested in large scale applications (and with a
certain fragility that requires extreme cold chain measures).
Which turns out to be a safety plus rather than liability minus.
Post by Martin Brown
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
It seems much more likely that there is some other protein common to
adenoviruses that a few people react against badly and that is close
enough to PF4 to get a false match antibody. That or there are a few
people about whose PF4 looks similar to a piece of an adenovirus.
It could be the lipid/carrier protecting the DNA/RNA. RNA breaks down rapidly, DNA does not.
Post by Martin Brown
It could even be one of the adjuvants used in the live virus vaccines
that is causing the trouble rather than the active component.
On the face of it Fauci is merely summing up what is presently known
about the syndrome which is that it only occurs in vaccines that use
adenovirus vectors and doesn't appear to happen in any of the mRNA
vaccines. It will be interesting to see if Sputnik is similarly affected
(when the EU countries scared of AZ and J&J get around to using it).
When i first make the educated guess about J&J problem on Apr 11, there was no report of issue. I did not have any inside information/data, but just a guess. Reports came out a few days later and Dr. Fauci simply reasserted my educated guess a week later.
Bill Sloman
2021-04-19 13:13:55 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do
.
Post by Martin Brown
It does also replicate some more adenovirus since that it what it would
originally doing in its normal life cycle.
Wrong. The adenovirus involved is explicitly crippled to prevent it from doing that.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine.html

"The Oxford-AstraZeneca team used a modified version of a chimpanzee adenovirus, known as ChAdOx1. It can enter cells, but it can’t replicate inside them. "
Post by Martin Brown
Not harmful to humans though or so we thought.
What you think, and what is actually going on, are two different things. You don't seem to be able to access what ought to be common knowledge, and you don't seem to have enough sense to look for it.

<snipped the rest of the ill-informed maundering>
Post by Martin Brown
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
It seems much more likely that there is some other protein common to
adenoviruses that a few people react against badly and that is close
enough to PF4 to get a false match antibody. That or there are a few
people about whose PF4 looks similar to a piece of an adenovirus.
That isn't implausible, but I've not seen any evidence that supports it either.
It could be the lipid/carrier protecting the DNA/RNA. RNA breaks down rapidly, DNA does not.
This seems less likely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenoviridae

The adenovirus family doesn't have a lipid shell - it's got a protein shell - and doesn't contain any RNA,

<snipped the rest - it isn't exactly evidence based>
When i first make the educated guess about J&J problem on Apr 11, there was no report of issue. I did not have any inside information/data, but just a guess. Reports came out a few days later and Dr. Fauci simply reasserted my educated guess a week later.
I suspect Dr.Fauci opinion was an assertion of his own point of view, rather than him picking up your guess-work - which is what the word "reassert" would imply, if used by somebody with a better grasp of English than Ed Lee seems to have.
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whit3rd
2021-04-19 22:01:56 UTC
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It does also replicate some more adenovirus since that it what it would
originally doing in its normal life cycle.
Not harmful to humans though or so we thought.
That's what they said about SARS-Cov2 early on. What can the harmless coronavirus do to human?
That's outrageously wrong; it didn't get recognized, and named,
before lots of harm was already attributable to the novel disease.

Or, are "They" are some specific gibbering denialists? With orange hair, perhaps?
Bill Sloman
2021-04-17 15:40:01 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
Dimwit Sloman again not picking up on the obvious that mistakes happen in nature, and, the more complex the process, the greater likelihood for it.
There's nothing natural about an adenovirus that has been tweaked to produce the Covid-19 spike protein, and prevented from reproducing itself. It couldn't be less natural.
Post by Fred Bloggs
The entire DNA-mRNA-ribosome- spike protein assembly is a complex process.
And highly unnatural. Electronics is frequently complex too, but those complex processes are engineered not to go wrong.
Post by Fred Bloggs
And seeing as how a typical vaccine induces on the order of 10^15 of these processes, the more likely for mistakes to occur even though the chance of a single incident are extraordinarily small.
Fred does go in for fatuous arguments, but that one is more moronic than most.

Same kind of mistake that brought Sloman into existence...

That did involve going from a single cell to a human body with 86 billion (0.86x10^11) brain cells, most of which still seem to work.

Fred does seem to have rather fewer of them that still work.
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Fred Bloggs
2021-04-17 17:08:20 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
Dimwit Sloman again not picking up on the obvious that mistakes happen in nature, and, the more complex the process, the greater likelihood for it.
There's nothing natural about an adenovirus that has been tweaked to produce the Covid-19 spike protein, and prevented from reproducing itself. It couldn't be less natural.
Post by Fred Bloggs
The entire DNA-mRNA-ribosome- spike protein assembly is a complex process.
And highly unnatural. Electronics is frequently complex too, but those complex processes are engineered not to go wrong.
Post by Fred Bloggs
And seeing as how a typical vaccine induces on the order of 10^15 of these processes, the more likely for mistakes to occur even though the chance of a single incident are extraordinarily small.
Fred does go in for fatuous arguments, but that one is more moronic than most.
Same kind of mistake that brought Sloman into existence...
That did involve going from a single cell to a human body with 86 billion (0.86x10^11) brain cells, most of which still seem to work.
Fred does seem to have rather fewer of them that still work.
There's an infinitude of interfering influences that can make the best laid plans go awry. This is one reason the science makes the distinction between in vitro and in vivo experimentation, and even then they only end up with probability of predictable outcome.
It's not worth the time to discuss such matters with someone with such obviously impaired brain function.
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Bill Sloman
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
<snip>
Post by Fred Bloggs
My guess is errant mRNA signaling from the adenovirus DNA expressing rogue proteins that attack platelet factor-4 triggering the coagulation response.
Seems unlikely. Why should the adenovirus DNA produce anything but the Covid-19 spike protein? That is what it is designed to do.
Post by Fred Bloggs
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00998-w
It doesn't say anything supporting Fred's bizarre speculation.
Dimwit Sloman again not picking up on the obvious that mistakes happen in nature, and, the more complex the process, the greater likelihood for it.
There's nothing natural about an adenovirus that has been tweaked to produce the Covid-19 spike protein, and prevented from reproducing itself. It couldn't be less natural.
Post by Fred Bloggs
The entire DNA-mRNA-ribosome- spike protein assembly is a complex process.
And highly unnatural. Electronics is frequently complex too, but those complex processes are engineered not to go wrong.
Post by Fred Bloggs
And seeing as how a typical vaccine induces on the order of 10^15 of these processes, the more likely for mistakes to occur even though the chance of a single incident are extraordinarily small.
Fred does go in for fatuous arguments, but that one is more moronic than most.
Same kind of mistake that brought Sloman into existence...
That did involve going from a single cell to a human body with 86 billion (0.86x10^11) brain cells, most of which still seem to work.
Fred does seem to have rather fewer of them that still work.
There's an infinitude of interfering influences that can make the best laid plans go awry.
Of course. The interesting question is about what's actually going wrong. Bleating about what might be going wrong isn't useful.
Post by Fred Bloggs
This is one reason the science makes the distinction between in vitro and in vivo experimentation, and even then they only end up with probability of predictable outcome.
In vivo is more complicated than in vitro, but that doesn't stop people understanding what's going on in vivo, and making sure that only what needs to happen actually happens.
Post by Fred Bloggs
It's not worth the time to discuss such matters with someone with such obviously impaired brain function.
Fred's brain function is too impaired to allow him to take a useful part in any such discussion, but it is still up to concocting superficially plausible excuses for sidling away.
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Spehro Pefhany
2021-04-17 17:28:10 UTC
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
"The AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines rely on different adenoviruses, but the appearance of the HIT-like symptoms among recipients of both vaccines — and the apparent lack of a HIT-like response among recipients of a different type of vaccine, based on mRNA — has raised concerns that the problem could be common to vaccines that rely on adenoviruses."
What are the stats on Sputnik V - it relies on human adenovirus rather
than chimp?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00191-4/fulltext
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
"The AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines rely on different adenoviruses, but the appearance of the HIT-like symptoms among recipients of both vaccines — and the apparent lack of a HIT-like response among recipients of a different type of vaccine, based on mRNA — has raised concerns that the problem could be common to vaccines that rely on adenoviruses."
What are the stats on Sputnik V - it relies on human adenovirus rather
than chimp?
They're using two adenoviruses, one for the primer and a second for the booster, apparently to preempt dampening the booster due to immune response to the virus developed from the primer.

I didn't want to go there because their so-called data is not to be trusted. They're not releasing any data to anyone for review. If there is a clotting problem, no one is going to know it. People living in the Russian Federation definitely don't trust it and don't want it either.

Their original report:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR0jFWucGE-g-9rnrXSGlhHRpQDSwcK1v5wTGzdQvG3-eKFxi6fkyUI_RA8
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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00191-4/fulltext
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"Further analysis found other hallmarks of a condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopaenia (HIT), a rare side effect sometimes seen in people who have taken the anti-coagulant heparin."
Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
"The AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines rely on different adenoviruses, but the appearance of the HIT-like symptoms among recipients of both vaccines — and the apparent lack of a HIT-like response among recipients of a different type of vaccine, based on mRNA — has raised concerns that the problem could be common to vaccines that rely on adenoviruses."
What are the stats on Sputnik V - it relies on human adenovirus rather
than chimp?
They're using two adenoviruses, one for the primer and a second for the booster, apparently to preempt dampening the booster due to immune response to the virus developed from the primer.
I didn't want to go there because their so-called data is not to be trusted. They're not releasing any data to anyone for review. If there is a clotting problem, no one is going to know it. People living in the Russian Federation definitely don't trust it and don't want it either.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext?fbclid=IwAR0jFWucGE-g-9rnrXSGlhHRpQDSwcK1v5wTGzdQvG3-eKFxi6fkyUI_RA8
They have reportedly exported over 150 million doses, surely there are
some independent numbers by now, even if you don't believe Russian
scientists.
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j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
2021-04-17 14:37:36 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
Fauci is a perfect advisor for Biden. They both have extensive
experience with being wrong.

Are we up to three masks yet? Up from zero.
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The best designs are necessarily accidental.
D***@decadence.org
2021-04-17 19:42:24 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
He made this claim
(https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-johnsonjohnson-
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the
top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White
House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines
is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the
vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it
certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
================== J&J scientists from Jansen Pharmaceuticals
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with
J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that
the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are
"substantially different" and that those differences could lead to
"quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human
adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee
adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families
or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called
spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to
produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine
does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the
Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel
Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J
vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are
not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this
week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough
evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they
continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
========================= The question is how much longer are we
going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic
medical science or flat-out lies about it?
Fauci is a perfect advisor for Biden.
You're an abject idiot.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
They both have extensive
experience with being wrong.
You're a total retard.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
Are we up to three masks yet? Up from zero.
Have you pulled your head out of Trump's fat ass yet? Down from
being stuffed a full mile up there.
j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
2021-04-28 16:09:12 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
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The best designs are necessarily accidental.
whit3rd
2021-04-29 00:27:14 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
We're better guided by him than by the spinmeister Flyguy
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
He may understand it too well.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Oh, what a pile of poo! This is entirely inductive writing, nary a fact nor observation cited,
just some vague 'people' who have some vague 'fear'. The office-holder namedropping
is a worthless bit of froth, and the overall effect is sprouting another dozen dismal conspiracy theories.
It's a blind-leading-the-blind exercise.

We're better off waiting until a fact supports an hypothesis; the "investigation" is too meta for credibility.
Don Y
2021-04-29 00:39:41 UTC
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Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
He may understand it too well.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Oh, what a pile of poo! This is entirely inductive writing, nary a fact nor observation cited,
just some vague 'people' who have some vague 'fear'. The office-holder namedropping
is a worthless bit of froth, and the overall effect is sprouting another dozen dismal conspiracy theories.
It's a blind-leading-the-blind exercise.
We're better off waiting until a fact supports an hypothesis; the "investigation" is too meta for credibility.
Has anyone else noticed how much of current reporting (right/left/other) can be
summed up as "I think..."? When I grew up, that was called EDITORIALIZING.
Reporting consisted of presenting verifiable *facts*. "Observations" were
also factual -- not a glorified way of dressing up *opinions*!

Yet, it is apparently sufficient for a large portion of the public to treat
as if FACT had been presented.

(sigh)
Bill Sloman
2021-04-29 01:12:06 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.
Flyguy's opinion on the subject isn't exactly definitive. He is an idiot, after all.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Probably not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics

is another right-wing group. They aren't entirely rabid, but if they are silly enough to like Trump (as John Larkin does) they aren't to be taken seriously.
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Flyguy
2021-05-02 06:10:07 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.
Flyguy's opinion on the subject isn't exactly definitive. He is an idiot, after all.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
is another right-wing group. They aren't entirely rabid, but if they are silly enough to like Trump (as John Larkin does) they aren't to be taken seriously.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
Hey SL0WMAN, you are generally very ignorant, but you over did it on this one. RCP publishes a broad range of opinion, not just from the right. But, you don't read it so you have no fucking idea. Of course, Wikipedia is ALWAYS neutral and unbiased...
Bill Sloman
2021-05-02 12:19:33 UTC
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:18:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.
Flyguy's opinion on the subject isn't exactly definitive. He is an idiot, after all.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
is another right-wing group. They aren't entirely rabid, but if they are silly enough to like Trump (as John Larkin does) they aren't to be taken seriously.
You are generally very ignorant, but you over did it on this one. RCP publishes a broad range of opinion, not just from the right.
Perhaps from the extreme right to the far right, which is what you'd see as broad range of opinion.
But, you don't read it so you have no fucking idea. Of course, Wikipedia is ALWAYS neutral and unbiased...
Wikipedia tries harder than most. You wouldn't be aware of that - but you aren't aware of much. An ignorant idiot like you calling anybody else "ignorant" because they don't share you fatuous delusions is richly comic, but it's not a joke you are likely to get.
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Flyguy
2021-05-03 05:33:28 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.
Flyguy's opinion on the subject isn't exactly definitive. He is an idiot, after all.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
is another right-wing group. They aren't entirely rabid, but if they are silly enough to like Trump (as John Larkin does) they aren't to be taken seriously.
You are generally very ignorant, but you over did it on this one. RCP publishes a broad range of opinion, not just from the right.
Perhaps from the extreme right to the far right, which is what you'd see as broad range of opinion.
But, you don't read it so you have no fucking idea. Of course, Wikipedia is ALWAYS neutral and unbiased...
Wikipedia tries harder than most. You wouldn't be aware of that - but you aren't aware of much. An ignorant idiot like you calling anybody else "ignorant" because they don't share you fatuous delusions is richly comic, but it's not a joke you are likely to get.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
Hey SL0WMAN, YOU are the one that is IGNORANT. Remember, the fuck that can't spell STUPD!
Bill Sloman
2021-05-03 08:00:19 UTC
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On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:18:14 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy
Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.
Flyguy's opinion on the subject isn't exactly definitive. He is an idiot, after all.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
is another right-wing group. They aren't entirely rabid, but if they are silly enough to like Trump (as John Larkin does) they aren't to be taken seriously.
You are generally very ignorant, but you over did it on this one. RCP publishes a broad range of opinion, not just from the right.
Perhaps from the extreme right to the far right, which is what you'd see as broad range of opinion.
But, you don't read it so you have no fucking idea. Of course, Wikipedia is ALWAYS neutral and unbiased...
Wikipedia tries harder than most. You wouldn't be aware of that - but you aren't aware of much. An ignorant idiot like you calling anybody else "ignorant" because they don't share you fatuous delusions is richly comic, but it's not a joke you are likely to get.
YOU are the one that is IGNORANT. Remember, the fuck that can't spell STUPD!
Flyguy is much too ignorant to understand about typo's, and he's much too stupid to notice that I almost always spell "stupid" correctly - he's had every opportunity to notice since the word does come up in most of my comments about his inanities. This is no exception. He's also much too stupid to realise that not agreeing with his silly ideas isn't any kind of demonstration of ignorance. Agreeing with most of them might be.
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Flyguy
2021-05-03 15:37:11 UTC
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Post by Flyguy
In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
=========================
The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.
Flyguy's opinion on the subject isn't exactly definitive. He is an idiot, after all.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
is another right-wing group. They aren't entirely rabid, but if they are silly enough to like Trump (as John Larkin does) they aren't to be taken seriously.
You are generally very ignorant, but you over did it on this one. RCP publishes a broad range of opinion, not just from the right.
Perhaps from the extreme right to the far right, which is what you'd see as broad range of opinion.
But, you don't read it so you have no fucking idea. Of course, Wikipedia is ALWAYS neutral and unbiased...
Wikipedia tries harder than most. You wouldn't be aware of that - but you aren't aware of much. An ignorant idiot like you calling anybody else "ignorant" because they don't share you fatuous delusions is richly comic, but it's not a joke you are likely to get.
YOU are the one that is IGNORANT. Remember, the fuck that can't spell STUPD!
Flyguy is much too ignorant to understand about typo's, and he's much too stupid to notice that I almost always spell "stupid" correctly - he's had every opportunity to notice since the word does come up in most of my comments about his inanities. This is no exception. He's also much too stupid to realise that not agreeing with his silly ideas isn't any kind of demonstration of ignorance. Agreeing with most of them might be.
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SL0WMAN, Sydney
Hey SL0WMAN, being called "stupd" by a RACIST like you is a BADGE OF HONOR! And you are not only a racist, you are a LIAR when your weak arguments don't hold up.
Bill Sloman
2021-05-04 01:14:50 UTC
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In an interview with Reuters on Thursday, Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert and an adviser to the White House, said the fact that they are both adenovirus vector vaccines is a "pretty obvious clue" that the cases could be linked to the vector.
"Whether that is the reason, I can't say for sure, but it certainly is something that raises suspicion," Fauci said.
==================
In the correspondence on Friday, Macaya Douoguih, a scientist with J&J's Janssen vaccines division, and colleagues pointed out that the vectors used in its vaccine and the AstraZeneca (AZN) shot are "substantially different" and that those differences could lead to "quite different biological effects."
Specifically, they noted that the J&J vaccine uses a human adenovirus while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine uses a chimpanzee adenovirus. The vectors are also from different virologic families or species, and use different cell receptors to enter cells.
The J&J shot also includes mutations to stabilize the so-called spike protein portion of the coronavirus that the vaccine uses to produce an immune response, while the AstraZeneca (AZN) vaccine does not.
"The vectors are very different," said Dr. Dan Barouch of the Center for Virology and Vaccine Research at Harvard's Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center in Boston, who helped design the J&J vaccine.
"The implications of issues with one vector for the other one are not clear at this point," he said in an interview earlier this week.
The J&J scientists said in the letter there was not enough evidence to say their vaccine caused the blood clots and they continue to work with health authorities to assess the data.
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The question is how much longer are we going to be guided by a doctor who doesn't understand basic medical science or flat-out lies about it?
He may understand it too well.
Flyguy's opinion on the subject isn't exactly definitive. He is an idiot, after all.
Post by j***@highlandsniptechnology.com
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/04/27/sharyl_attkisson_investigates_covid_19.html
Probably not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClearPolitics
is another right-wing group. They aren't entirely rabid, but if they are silly enough to like Trump (as John Larkin does) they aren't to be taken seriously.
You are generally very ignorant, but you over did it on this one. RCP publishes a broad range of opinion, not just from the right.
Perhaps from the extreme right to the far right, which is what you'd see as broad range of opinion.
But, you don't read it so you have no fucking idea. Of course, Wikipedia is ALWAYS neutral and unbiased...
Wikipedia tries harder than most. You wouldn't be aware of that - but you aren't aware of much. An ignorant idiot like you calling anybody else "ignorant" because they don't share you fatuous delusions is richly comic, but it's not a joke you are likely to get.
YOU are the one that is IGNORANT. Remember, the fuck that can't spell STUPD!
Flyguy is much too ignorant to understand about typo's, and he's much too stupid to notice that I almost always spell "stupid" correctly - he's had every opportunity to notice since the word does come up in most of my comments about his inanities. This is no exception. He's also much too stupid to realise that not agreeing with his silly ideas isn't any kind of demonstration of ignorance. Agreeing with most of them might be.
Hey Sloman, being called "stupd" by a RACIST like you is a BADGE OF HONOR! And you are not only a racist, you are a LIAR when your weak arguments don't hold up.
Flyguy is the kind of idiot who thinks his opinion about the strength or truth of an argument is worth posting. Enjoy your "badge of honour" - you aren't going to lose it any time soon.
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Bill Sloman, Sydney
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